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 Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:15 pm
Very fun. bluecat868 [ Variant ] bluecat868 [ Variant ] You realize the entire Thing you sent to me was complete bullshit. WTF!!!! Lol, Your stupid. And you make me giggle. Here's proof: Debunked, Bish.Yeah.....And you make me want to rip off your head!!!!!!!! stressed xD, this was in response to the Mommy letter, which is recently made. Ah, the intelligence of Pro-Life N00bs.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:50 pm
Aw, come on. He was just trying to appeal irrationally to the emotions of pro-choice gaians to protect the rights of the innocent unborn...
Because the slutty born needn't have any rights!
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:55 pm
Pro-lifers are the most fun to talk with! One of my most enjoyable hobbies is arguing with pro-lifers and getting banned from forums. I royally pissed off the peeps at Operation Rescue... ah, so much fun.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:09 pm
Shard Aerliss Pro-lifers are the most fun to talk with! One of my most enjoyable hobbies is arguing with pro-lifers and getting banned from forums. I royally pissed off the peeps at Operation Rescue... ah, so much fun. Aha, I wanna go in there and be like 'I love Abortion, I'm so glad you guys do too!' And want to see what they say xD
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:16 pm
Pro-lifers who have more to say than:
Aborshun iz murder!
Stupid Sluts deserve to be pregnant!
can be quite enjoyable to talk to. At times I've had PM conversations and some serious conversations in the main thread concerning these issues... and they were really enjoyable experiences. Unfortunately the vast majority of pro-lifers that hit and run the ED thread are one of the two above.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:19 pm
[ Variant ] Very fun. bluecat868 [ Variant ] bluecat868 [ Variant ] You realize the entire Thing you sent to me was complete bullshit. WTF!!!! Lol, Your stupid. And you make me giggle. Here's proof: Debunked, Bish.Yeah.....And you make me want to rip off your head!!!!!!!! stressed xD, this was in response to the Mommy letter, which is recently made. Ah, the intelligence of Pro-Life N00bs. Just FYI, the dear mommy thing has been addling brains for a while now... Hahahaha... Crazy idiots ... i mean ... mistaken people are so entertaining.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:44 pm
It took a looooooong quote tower to get to this point. I will split this up into sections of six. Part One: Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies So you believe in Pro-Choice? Well the baby can't speak for itself, but if it could it would probably beg for the doctors not to murder it. And you know this how? Also, you fail to tell me how abortion is murder. Because the baby is alive and if you kill it well isn't that murder? Life = Personhood then? All right, let's ban... -Antibiotics -Cleaning oneself -Meat eating -Plant eating -Scratching itches -Pesticides -Breathing If "killing something that is living" is murder, according to your logic, everything that breathes and has an immune system should drop dead. When you breathe, you inhale millions of bacteria, sending them to die at the hands of your own immune system. Murder is defined by Webster's New World Dictionary as "the illegal killing of a person, especially with premeditated malice." -Abortion is legal in most countries and in the United States, legal in 49 of 50 states. -Most, if not all countries determine that personhood begins at birth -There is no proof of premeditated malice Abortion does not fit the definition of murder and as such is not murder. I can really understand your view, but I still believe its murder.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:45 pm
Part Two Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Lord Setar However, why should your view be imposed on everyone? I just like to tell people the truth and thats one way to do it. How is your view true though? I've just shown you why it's utterly false. Because when a mother feels her baby kick what do you call that? Non-living? I highly disagree. Non-living? Where did I claim the fetus was not alive? Life does not come from non-life. Eggs and sperm are alive. Embryos are alive. Fetuses are alive. However, the kicking is a reflexive action. The fetus is comatose until birth due to anasthetics secreted by the placenta, and all movement from the fetus - kicking, thumb sucking and masturbating - are reflexive.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:46 pm
Part Three Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Ok whatever, so you just believe that the baby doesn't feel it? That's not belief, it's fact. I can give you proof if you want. Fine proove it. Moniquill The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Statement on Pain of the Fetus We know of no legitimate scientific information that supports the statement that a fetus experiences pain early in pregnancy. We do know that the cerebellum attains its final configuration in the seventh month and that mylenization (or covering) of the spinal cord and the brain begins between the 20th and 40th weeks of pregnancy. These, as well as other neurological developments, would have to be in place for the fetus to receive pain. To feel pain, a fetus needs neurotransmitted hormones. In animals, these complex chemicals develop in the last third of gestation. We know of no evidence that humans are different. http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/04/14/hscout532137.html "The neural circuitry needed to process pain is complete, if not mature, by 26 weeks' gestation... "From about 26 weeks you can talk about there being a complete system in terms of biology, a link from the skin to the spinal cord to the brain, and we know that set-up is reasonably functional," Derbyshire explained...But to properly experience pain, the mind must also be developed, something which cannot happen until after birth. The mind permits the subjectivity of pain...I agree that pain is a complex sensory experience that requires activation of many regions of the cerebral cortex and that 'Without consciousness there can be nociception [response to noxious events] but there cannot be pain,'" Ralston said. "I do not know when that necessary neural circuitry is fully developed and functional, but it certainly is not established by 20 weeks gestational age, as encoded in legislation in several states in laws penalizing physicians for not informing mothers about pain in their fetuses." And even if they had all the necessary hardware needed to feel pain, they still wouldn't, because until birth fetal mammals exist in a coma-like state. http://women.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,17909-1491771,00.html Professor David Mellor, the physiologist who carried out the research, believes such concerns are unwarranted and that fetuses cannot feel anything before or during birth. He will present his findings at a conference on animal sentience that is being organized by Compassion in World Farming (CIWF) in London next month. In a paper that will be published in an academic journal, Mellor will suggest that in mammals the fetal brain is kept in a deep sleep throughout pregnancy by a combination of natural sedatives and anesthetics secreted by the brain and placenta. "Consciousness appears for the first time after birth. We conclude the embryo and fetus cannot suffer before or during birth. Suffering can only occur in the newborn when the onset of breathing oxygenates its tissues," Mellor said. How's that? Your good, but I know the truth and nothing someone says will change it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:47 pm
Part Four Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Believe what you want to believe. Again, if you say you know the truth, then provide some evidence backing it up. Ok, sorry if I offended you in any way............ You didn't offend me, I'm just asking you for proof for what you say is the truth. Nothing can be fact or close to it(nothing in science can be explicitly proven, only disproven) without evidence. That is something you have yet to show me. Ok I don't have evidence!
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:06 pm
Lord Setar Part Four Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Lord Setar Perfectblueskies Believe what you want to believe. Again, if you say you know the truth, then provide some evidence backing it up. Ok, sorry if I offended you in any way............ You didn't offend me, I'm just asking you for proof for what you say is the truth. Nothing can be fact or close to it(nothing in science can be explicitly proven, only disproven) without evidence. That is something you have yet to show me. Ok I don't have evidence! ROFL I love when people try to back away by being nice when proved 100% wrong.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:09 pm
Talon-chan Unfortunately the vast majority of pro-lifers that hit and run the ED thread are one of the two above. That's why I rarely visit the ED thread anymore, that and it's usually dominated by choicers anyhow. OR was fun, one guy I was arguing debating with, started telling me that the entire population fo the earth could fit into Texas. I proved him so horribley wrong. Found out the area of Texas from official sources and showed him all my working out to prove that not everyone could fit into Texas. They coudl fit into the whole of America, if everyone only had a 2 by 2 foot square and there were no houses, shops, factories, roads. He told me that I had resorted to maths because my arguments were weak and I couldn't prove anything. WTF? Then all my posts were deleted and my ISP banned...
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:23 pm
Talon-chan Pro-lifers who have more to say than: Aborshun iz murder! Stupid Sluts deserve to be pregnant! Every single time I have spoken to a pro-lifer who has more to say than these two things, I had them admitting within minutes that, while they had every right to hold their opinion on the matter, they had no right to force it on others and ask for abortions to be made illegal. No one with half a brain ever stays pro-life very long after being exposed to a rational pro-choicer.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:59 pm
Kukushka Talon-chan Pro-lifers who have more to say than: Aborshun iz murder! Stupid Sluts deserve to be pregnant! Every single time I have spoken to a pro-lifer who has more to say than these two things, I had them admitting within minutes that, while they had every right to hold their opinion on the matter, they had no right to force it on others and ask for abortions to be made illegal. No one with half a brain ever stays pro-life very long after being exposed to a rational pro-choicer. Not true. Most of them do end up Pro-Life personal Pro-Choice political eventually though. Which might be what you meant? I have to say that I (often) have fun talking to Pro-Lifers. I both love debating and love learning about the viewpoints of people who believe differently than I do.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:29 pm
WatersMoon110 Not true. Most of them do end up Pro-Life personal Pro-Choice political eventually though. Which might be what you meant? I am talking about the political. So yes, that's what I meant. WatersMoon110 I have to say that I (often) have fun talking to Pro-Lifers. I both love debating and love learning about the viewpoints of people who believe differently than I do. I don't. Like I said, the pro-lifers with half a brain almost always become pro-choice after a couple minutes of talking to me. So the only pro-lifers left whom I speak with are the annoying "ZOMG! Iz murder n all women who get them r sluts n whores!" type of people. I may have enjoyed hearing these arguments a couple times for the reasons you mentioned, but that went away real fast.
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