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 Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:18 pm
I wish too look into the subject. I recently found out my uncle was posessed by a demon that apparently haunts our family. Anyways, I would love to leanr anything I can about it, and find a way to learn all I can. Ways to expel them and such.
Please don't give me wiccan crap. talk2hand
So please discuss demonology and where i might find books, or anything of the sort on it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:50 pm
I have mostly resources on Angelology. sweatdrop Though..I did stumble across this one site months ago. I was mildly amused that there was a Demon in Judaeo-Christian mythology who was known to take the form of a male peacock.(Months before making that discovery, I had made a peacock demon roleplay character because it sounded a touch random) sweatdrop . Hrm..Though..I could possibly help you out anyway. I might be able to find those websites again. If not, I could attempt to provide whatever information I have in my Angelology reference book about the Fallen(Yes, the Fallen Angels are also included in the book I have). Whenever I seriously think in terms of Demons or Fallen Angels, the first name that comes to mind is Belial(also known as Beliar or Berial). Gustav Davidson's a Dictionary of the Angels(including the Fallen Angels) Belial(Beliar or Berial)----In Jacobus de Teramo, Das Buch Beliel, this great fallen angel, often equated with Satan, is pictured presenting his credentials to Solomon; also as dancing before the the Hebrew king, Paul, in II Corinthians 6:15, asks "What concord hath Christ with Belial?" Here, clearly, Paul regards Belial as chief od demons, or as Satan. In Paradise Lost I, 490-492, "Belial came last; than whom a Spirit more lewd/Fell not from Heav'n, or more gross to love/Vice it self." Later, in Paradise Lost II, 110-112, Milton speaks of Belial thus:"A fairer person lost not Heav'n; he seemed/For dignity compos'd and high ex- ploit;" but hastens to add: "all was false and hol- low." "Possibly an old name for Sheol" says Barton in "Origin of the names of Angels and Demons." In The Toilers of the Sea, Victor Hugo, drawing on occult sources, speaks of Belial as Hell's ambassador to Turkey.[Cf. Mastema.] As in the case of Bileth, it was "only after infinite research," reports Spence, An Encyclopedia of Occultism(p.119) that Belial was "proved to have been formerly of the order of virtues." Then there's more, yet.. Same book as above Beliar("Worthless")----Interchangeable, in most sources, with Beliel. Beliar is mentionned in Deu- teronomy, Judges, andI Samuel, always as evil, its symbol or personification. In apocryphal writings Beliar is the prince of darkness, supreme adversary of God. In The Martyrdom of Isaiah he is the angel of lawlessness. In The Gospel of Bartholomew, Bartholomew asks Beliar to tell who he is, and Beliar answers: "At first I was called Satanel, which is interpreted as a messenger of God, but when I rejected the image of God my name was called Satanas, that is, an angel that keepth Hell (Tartarus)....I was formed the first angel... Michael second, Gabriel third, Uriel fourth, Raphael fifth, Nathanael sixth....These are the angels of vengeance that were first formed." [Rf. James, the Apocryphal New Testament, p.175.] In Waite, The Lemegeton, Beliar is said to have been created "next after Lucifer." As a fallen angel Beliar boasts that he "fell first amongh the worthier sort." Milton calls him a "false-titled son of God." According to the Schoolmen, Beliar was once partly of the order of angels and partly of the order of virtues. However, Glasson, Greek Influence in Jewish Eschatology, argues that Beliar was never and angel and compares him with Ahriman, chief devil in Persian mythology, who was "independent of God and God's opposite equal."[see Ahriman.] The tradition that Beliar is Hell's primate is carried on in the work of two modern writers, Thomas Mann and Aldous Huxley, both of whom regard Beliar as the exem- plar and epitome of evil.
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:13 pm
That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky.
Well, in a more general response, I know almost nothing about demonology, but I am interested in it and excorcisms, (sp?) and I would like to learn to perform them.
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:34 pm
Joshua_Ritter That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky. Don't shoot the messenger. I only quoted the only reference book that I have on Angelology. It's entries are taken from several sources..But yeah. Gustav Davidson's A Dictionary of the Angels Including the Fallen Angels is its name, if you want to go and try to track down a copy in the store sometime. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:36 pm
Pageantry Joshua_Ritter That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky. Don't shoot the messenger. I only quoted the only reference book that I have on Angelology. It's entries are taken from several sources..But yeah. Gustav Davidson's A Dictionary of the Angels Including the Fallen Angels is its name, if you want to go and try to track down a copy in the store sometime. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:44 pm
Joshua_Ritter Pageantry Joshua_Ritter That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky. Don't shoot the messenger. I only quoted the only reference book that I have on Angelology. It's entries are taken from several sources..But yeah. Gustav Davidson's A Dictionary of the Angels Including the Fallen Angels is its name, if you want to go and try to track down a copy in the store sometime. sweatdrop *blinks* Eh? In that case..I'll try to answer as such.. Well, here's what I do know offhand. Belial was the first to fall. He was said to have actually started/lead the uprising in Heaven. I'm not sure if he is actually the official opposer to the creator or not, but I know he's definately one of them. I also know that Lucifer and Morningstar tend to get confused with regards to who is Satan..and perhaps Belial is "Satan"..I honestly don't know. >.< If I'm not mistaken, Belial has an alternate spelling to his name. Bel'ial or Bel'iel. Something like that anyway. It had the apostrophe in it. Saw it somewhere before and didn't really care to question it. I know of someone who wanted to try to summon Belial once. I told him it was a stupid idea. See, he talked about wanting to open some sort of demon gate or something..Yeah..He had no idea what he was trying to get himself into. Don't know if he ever succeeded. Lost contact with him after grade eleven. Then again, that year he'd done a lot of stuff to screw himself over, including pissing off a powerful spirit. That's about all of the info/random tidbits I know of Belial. Sorry for not being able to say much more. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:51 am
Who is writing these BS books?
I have read like 3 books on demonlogy and one on angelogy and all where total BS I mean the 3 demonlogy books where amost totaly differant which is the first sign of BS and the angelogy book was using latin names for angels which is bull becuase angels are named using Angelic and sometimes older languages some known as the language of god and others have no recorded name.
Half the angels I know dont even know thier names becuase everyone calls them angel so it doesnt matter and there isnt one angel per a field more like two or three hundred and their is over a million angels and that not including the fallen and demonic angels so it would be like a phone book for the whole USA and that would be huge so all those books on angelogy or demonlogy are BS so dont even bother learning it or buying them, instead learn Astral projection and use the astral records becuase atleast they got 80% of all the angels on record and almost a book on each one.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:37 am
Is that all demonology is? Just knowing their names? I could've sworn there was more to it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:04 am
Joshua_Ritter That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky.
Well, in a more general response, I know almost nothing about demonology, but I am interested in it and excorcisms, (sp?) and I would like to learn to perform them. lucifer is an inaccurately attributed name. Lucifer was a king in egypt i think it was. demonology, if my understanding of what limited information i have is correct, is basically using demons to your will. you basically control them on a fundamental level.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:28 am
DR490N Joshua_Ritter That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky.
Well, in a more general response, I know almost nothing about demonology, but I am interested in it and excorcisms, (sp?) and I would like to learn to perform them. lucifer is an inaccurately attributed name. Lucifer was a king in egypt i think it was. demonology, if my understanding of what limited information i have is correct, is basically using demons to your will. you basically control them on a fundamental level. Technically, Lucifer was a king of Babylon who shot a firey arrow towards the heavens. But yeah. Oh, and another random tidbit that I picked out of my book last night is that apparently Sammael is synonymous with Satan. *shruggers* With regards to Demonology, I'd say that the same principle applies to Demons that I've heard applies to Angels and Spirits. That is that if you know its true name and you call it, that it has to come to you and that you have a degree of power over them..Though, I'd say that's mostly just theory and I wouldn't reccomend trying it. Zero: These books on Angelology and Demonology must be getting something right..Else they wouldn't be selling. wink Besides, the book that I use combines information from SEVERAL different sources including ancient religious texts. I'm not claiming that my book is flawlessly accurate, but I'm just saying that the information contained within it came from all over the place, including religious texts. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:22 pm
Pageantry DR490N Joshua_Ritter That's really cool, Yagi. Although I'm not quite sure the relationship between Lucifer and Belial... that seemed to be a bit murky.
Well, in a more general response, I know almost nothing about demonology, but I am interested in it and excorcisms, (sp?) and I would like to learn to perform them. lucifer is an inaccurately attributed name. Lucifer was a king in egypt i think it was. demonology, if my understanding of what limited information i have is correct, is basically using demons to your will. you basically control them on a fundamental level. Technically, Lucifer was a king of Babylon who shot a firey arrow towards the heavens. But yeah. Oh, and another random tidbit that I picked out of my book last night is that apparently Sammael is synonymous with Satan. *shruggers* With regards to Demonology, I'd say that the same principle applies to Demons that I've heard applies to Angels and Spirits. That is that if you know its true name and you call it, that it has to come to you and that you have a degree of power over them..Though, I'd say that's mostly just theory and I wouldn't reccomend trying it. Zero: These books on Angelology and Demonology must be getting something right..Else they wouldn't be selling. wink Besides, the book that I use combines information from SEVERAL different sources including ancient religious texts. I'm not claiming that my book is flawlessly accurate, but I'm just saying that the information contained within it came from all over the place, including religious texts. sweatdrop When you find a book wrote by someone who ACTUELY knows the angels and demons tell me becuase most people havnt even seen the gates of heaven.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:35 pm
The FLCL Guy When you find a book wrote by someone who ACTUELY knows the angels and demons tell me becuase most people havnt even seen the gates of heaven. Eh, I'll keep my eyes out. Though, the only folks who I can think of who would "ACTUALLY" know the Angels and Demons would be those who work with them, or who are Angelkin or something themselves.. And..Based off my information searches..It seems near impossible to find any information on Angelkin alone(and I don't even know if what little I've found is even accurate!), let alone a book which holds completely accurate information on the Angels themselves. However..If I do happen to find anything..I'll be certain to let you know. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:33 pm
Pageantry The FLCL Guy When you find a book wrote by someone who ACTUELY knows the angels and demons tell me becuase most people havnt even seen the gates of heaven. Eh, I'll keep my eyes out. Though, the only folks who I can think of who would "ACTUALLY" know the Angels and Demons would be those who work with them, or who are Angelkin or something themselves.. And..Based off my information searches..It seems near impossible to find any information on Angelkin alone(and I don't even know if what little I've found is even accurate!), let alone a book which holds completely accurate information on the Angels themselves. However..If I do happen to find anything..I'll be certain to let you know. 3nodding As it is, I happen to know someone who is angelkin. He is a great guy who is very caring, but also rooted in his christian faith. If you wish, I could talk to him for you, or get his MSNM from his so I can give it to you.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:46 pm
LMAO Im of angel kin and this is my first life so yeah I have seen heaven and I know ALOT of angels.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:58 pm
The FLCL Guy LMAO Im of angel kin and this is my first life so yeah I have seen heaven and I know ALOT of angels. Oh? rolleyes
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