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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:19 am
If anyone here hasn't heard, the government is in the works of trying get anime banned in the states. There've been numerous petitions going around to stop this. What would be the point of it? It's not like anime is doing any harm to anyone. I mean, really, if something goes wrong with your kid when they grow up, it's just bad parenting on your part. It doesn't have anything to do with what they've watched or the games they've played, because they should have common sense enough to tell right from wrong and reality from fiction. Am I right or wrong here?
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:25 am
All the examples I can think of where kids have ended up mimicking brutal murders have been from horror films and very violent video games like manhunt... anime?? What the hell is wrong with your government.
And still, it's not like these things are common at all, so there's obviously nothing inherrent within the games or films to make people go out and do these things... It has to be other factors surrounding the individuals...
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:10 am
That's what I wanna know. It's like I said, if anything happens, it's the result of bad parenting, plain and simple, right?
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:16 am
Well... I don't think it's all that simple personally... but then I am, and have been, studying psychology for a few years so it'd be pretty bad if I thought it was that simple... lol. It can have a little to do with genetics, the environment you're in, things you've witnessed, and if you play/see these things at a very young age, it may affect the development of your concience... but then although that may be put down to bad parenting itself, kids can find ways of seeing things without their parents knowing... there's a million reasons... but really it all depends on the individual, well i think that anyway...
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:18 am
Yeah, I was just about to say "I grew up watching all sorts of violent movies and playing violent games and whatnot since a very young age, and I'm fine, and the same goes for other people I know." You can chalk it up to the psyche if you want, but in my opinion, it's the parents' responsibility to take actions on what their kids do, regardless of what they watch and such since they SHOULD know right from wrong.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:29 am
They should, but it's not as easy as just telling some kids... Well if you believe anything freud said, (not that I specifically do...) he'd have told you it's all early experiences, not what you've actually been taught. There are so many ways you can mess up a kid, over smothering, not enough attention, and in fairness to parents, it's difficult for alot of people to know if they're doing things right... plus alot of things can happen if kids join gangs of friends... they're whole outlook in life can change in a new group of people like that. They take on values of the group over their parents... some kids, not all... and that can lead to problems if they want to try be extreme to impress each other. Also leading to problems in later life about going against what they know is right.
Some violent males have too many Y chromosomes, increasing testosterone levels, and some people lack or have a damaged limbic system... making them blind to consequences when they get angry - I don't think that ever stands as a defense though... I just think things are way more complicated than blame the parents. I've known some horrid people with amazing parents, and with really well behaved brothers and sisters. So sorry if I'm totally going on too much without making sense ^_^ I always blaim the individual personally... I wouldn't blaim anything else unless they had a disorder...
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:43 am
That's true. Some are really stubborm minded and willed, I know.
Stretching things out that far, yes, I can see your point, but what I'M getting at is the fact that they try to put things over on games and anime, saying that is the problem. If your child really likes games and anime, then it's that much more your responsility to help them discern right from wrong. Everything else I can see, but to say it's a game's fault when someone kills someone else? It's totally ludicrous.
I mean, come on now...if it were really up to the things they watch and play affecting them at such a young age, then why is it that you don't see many people getting injured by young children, as opposed to grown people doing these things and turning around and blaming them on a game or something? Seriously, the last two times someone got hurt over a game, it had to do with people that were 30+ years old.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:57 am
Because adults know blaiming a game is a better defense than I did it because I want to. Call me sceptical, but anyone who kills some one else probably isn't the most honest, moral person in the world... it's the governments problem blaiming these things... oh and the young children thing... I have a few really sick examples of young kids killing other people if you want them >.< but I'm sure you don't...
But yes, they do happen mainly with adults, and these people probable had a load of things wrong in their mind to do these things, they're a rarity in fairness, and I don't think you could ever blaim one thing for them acting that way.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:07 am
Right. I know there've been counts of children killng people, but what I'm getting at is that the majority of these things that happen center around adults, and they point fingers towards other things to avoid the truth. Nothing but a scapegoat. The last time? The guy was 19 years old, and he had sense enough to know right from wrong. He just chose not to. He tried to outrun the police, driving wildly without any regard for anyone around him. ANYONE that's done something wrong and knows it will try to outrun the police, but then the kid turend around when they asked him why he acted as he did he said "I learned it from Grand Theft Auto." rolleyes
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:27 am
I agree. If games and anime is the cause than don't you think that there whould be alot more agressive people out there, and don't the milatary use games in there suluations.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:03 am
Banning anime in the US would be horrible! Nothing harmful truely comes from it, if you ask me. It's gotta be violent films and whatnot, nobody would really copy something animated, would they? Plus... you'd still ahve online sources... they can't completely erase it from the US.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:20 pm
It can be there's bit of pressure, not just bad parenting. But video games are totally different from anime! If anime should be banned, video games, should too! And even, anime isn't so popular. How many people do you see talking about anime? People see it as dorky, but not as much as video games. All anime really is, is entertainment.
Video games, I can surely say is more violent. There are some consoles where you can handle a gun and shoot at the screen. Come on?!
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:32 pm
*sighs*
That's why I hate being an American and I hate the U.S. stressed
You know, the government can be doing better stuff with their time than worrying about cartoons and the likes. I mean look... Hurricane Katrina was pretty massive and the mess in Louisiana isn't completely cleaned up. Besides that, there's the topic of Social Security, better healthcare, improving inner city places, creating more jobs, lowering gas prices, bettering public schools, etc... I can go on for days about what has to be fixed in this God forsaken country. xp
But no... instead of worrying about these more important issues, they go and tackle something that is not even bothering anyone. Nice job, America. Pat yourselves on the back for doing a job well done. I'm sure Bush's approval rating will go up tons and that this years elections will be a landslide victory for the Republican party and that they will easily gain control of Congress and the House. rolleyes
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:07 pm
Ok, first off I want to point out that this might not even be something plotted by Bush. I'm sick and tired of hearing people bash Bush when some of the things he doesn't even have that much control of (like gas prices rolleyes ). (We can talk later on about America, Son-chan sweatdrop )
Second of all, the government can't ban the sale of any items unless they cause damage thats on physical levels, such as guns, blades, etc. Anime and manga are not dangerous unless thrown at people and I don't see gangs doing "drive by anime" at rival gang members xd
Also, video games have been under fire for a long time. Ever since Mortal Kombat came out and became popular, parents and some goverment officials have been on a crusade to stop their children and "the future of America".
Now, can you name any place that advetises anime/manga as mainstream stuff? And that place has to be commercially shown as well. (Best Buy, Circuit City, Barnes & Noble, etc.) No? Thought so. Although they do sell anime and manga, that aspect of the store is only considered a minor income compared to the other things they might sell such as television sets or more popular novels by native soil authors (such as Stephen King, etc.).
So lets pretend that this is true. What can they do? What ploy can "The Man" do to block our precious medium of Japanese art? Our little escapes of reality? Do the same thing they did with the movies, music, video games and etc.: Slap a rating and warning label on there saying things like "Warning! This anime has big bouncy breasts and over-sized eyes! People will have gravity defying hair in weird colors and do things you won't ever be able to do. So for the sake of yourself and the community please do not try to do a Kamehameha wave or think that a harem of unrealistically curvacious women will come from an alien planet to marry you!"
So what's my point? All thats going to happen is a large rise in anime/manga products. When GTA came out and was plastered on newspapers and the 5pm news, people went out and bought! If anything, the otaku community will grow stronger from this "wound" by the government.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:36 am
The Government should ban itself. sweatdrop
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