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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:56 am
I got a 68%. 68%! RAWR. scream
Neutron Blast! Man, if Hamlet could have summoned the Blue Eyes White Dragon during his duel at the end of the play of the same name, it would have been an explosive ending. If Seto Kaiba had killed everyone around him and driven Katsuya insane, that would have been really cool, although the creator, Kazuki Takashi, would never allow it. See, Seto and Hamlet, created half a world and several centuries apart, are actually the same character, facing the same circumstances, with the same reasons for acting.
Take a look at the character of both Hamlet and Seto and also those around them. Both Hamlet and Seto are absolutely brilliant in their fields but have been denied the usual methods of schooling, Hamlet by his stepfather and Seto by his adoptive father, who are synonymous characters. Both young men suffer undiagnosed depression, Hamlet always thinking about death and finding the worst in everything, and Seto lives through death repeatedly via night terrors. Both have serious trust issues as well, Hamlet doesnt even trust his own mother and Seto doesnt trust the synonymous character, his brother.
Now that the mental states of the protagonists have been described, rather loosely, they seem to be synonymous. Even delving deeper will only prove that fact. Both young men are tormented by ghosts from the past. Hamlets ghost is a physical reminder of his fathers murder and his need to protect his mother, where Setos ghost lies in the selling of his soul to protect his brother. This brings up the point that both characters, on their own, would have been perfectly fine and lived comfortable lives. Its true that their driving force comes from without, rather than any ambition of their own, but there wouldnt have been a story for either one if not for the existence of Queen Gertrude and Mokuba. Since Hamlet and Seto are synonymous, so too should the driving force behind them, and the characters around them be.
Naturally, they are. Take King Claudius and Gozaburo Kaiba for a start. Both have their own kingdoms, Claudius being the very literal Denmark and Gozaburos being the not as literal KaibaCorp. Both are responsible for the ghosts of the protagonists, Claudius again is very literal while Gozaburo is responsible for the near eradication of Setos soul. Both are murderers in their own ways. Gozaburo is for a third time, the less literal of the two considering that KaibaCorps chief products were weapons and that he sold to all sides via arms dealing. Claudius just plain killed.
Again, Claudius and Gozaburo are two very similar characters on their own. Going deeper only reveals more similarities such as the lust for power present in Claudius murder and Gozaburos control-freak attitude towards everything. Also similar is their use of two other synonymous characters, mentioned briefly earlier, as leverage over Hamlet and Seto respectively.
But what about those synonymous characters, Queen Gertrude and Mokuba Kaiba? Are they synonymous? Of course they are. Barring the fact that they are two different ages relative to the protagonists, and that they are two different genders, they are synonymous in purpose and in performance. Gertrude is the only real family Hamlet has left and he would do anything to protect her. She never overtly asks him to do anything, although she suggests things which Hamlet acts on. In the same way, Mokuba never asked Seto to protect him. Seto sticks with his brother because Mokuba is all he has left. Hamlet got the idea that he needed to kill Claudius and trod a bloody path to that goal, giving up everything for Gertrudes safety. Seto did the same for Mokuba when he finally forced Gozaburo to die.
Now what about Ophelia? Does Seto have an Ophelia? Is Hamlets Ophelia really all that important? The answer to the last two is yes. Setos Ophelia is named Katsuya Jonouchi and he is more like Ophelia than hed ever care to admit.
Both Katsuya and Ophelia have a sibling they hardly see, but love dearly, parodying Seto and Mokuba/Hamlet and Gertrudes relationships respectively. Both have incredibly low self esteem caused by circumstances. Katsuya has an abusive father and Ophelia
she was a woman in Shakespearean times back when women were property. Nuff said.
Now, does anything else connect them? For a start, Hamlet is in love with Ophelia and Ophelia idolizes him. In the same way, Katsuya idolizes Seto and Seto is, in his own way, in love with Katsuya. Because Hamlet and Seto havent had much practical social interaction, (Hamlet is a prince and Seto was locked away from the world for his formative years), neither one really knows how to show affection, let alone love, so they become frustrated and lash out against the ones who caused the feeling in the first place. This is shown by Hamlets constant verbal sparring with Opelia, counterbalanced by him referring to her as fair nymph and other such pet names. As for Seto
some of his favourite names for Katsuya are zako (small fry), bonkotsu no _____ (mediocre _____), and his personal favourite, make inu (mutt). However, he doesnt pay attention to anyone else, and because of his upbringing in a violent and abusive situation, this is actually his form of encouragement. If he really thought Katsuya was all those things, he wouldnt pay any attention to him at all. Finally, Katsuya and Ophelias replies to this sort of thing are simple and blunt, but they are only attempts to prolong contact with their objects of affection.
Now that weve established that these are the same characters and the basic relationships between Hamlet and Seto between all the other synonymous characters, do those characters interact with each other in the same ways? They do indeed. Katsuya has no interaction with Gozaburo, in the same way that Ophelia has no interaction with King Claudius. Katsuya and Mokuba arent friends, but they know each other and dont hate each other. Queen Gertrude knows Ophelia certainly, but Gertrude only really feels for her after she goes mad and Katsuya has yet to go off the deep end. Finally, the relationship between Mokuba and Gozaburo is the same as the one between Gertrude and Claudius, minus a whole bunch of sexual connotations. They dont deal much with each other, except for sex in Claudius case, which doesnt apply to Gozaburo, but both Claudius and Gozaburo manage to use Gertrude and Mokuba as leverage.
So in closing, Seto and Hamlet are the same characters, with the same mindset and the same circumstances. Hamlet didnt get to summon the Blue Eyes White Dragon to fire a blast of concentrated electricity at anything in its path and Seto still hasnt killed everything around him and hasnt driven Katsuya insane, but theyre still the same people, and itd still be really cool if they did.
For goodness sake, DON'T QUOTE THE FIRST POST! I wrote this for English class and I'll post the mark I get on it once it's marked. biggrin
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 11:34 am
Ano...terrific, but then I haven't seen/read Hamlet. I'm not exactly a puppyshipper, either, but I can deal with it. Wow...the similarities are amazing.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 6:25 pm
OMG....I was thinking of creating a thread for this kind of stuff. The similarities ARE.....similar. stare Maybe Takahashi-sama designed him like Hamlet...? If not, then maybe these characters:
Fitzwilliam Darcy from Pride and Prejudice - he SEEMS like a jerk, sometimes he IS a jerk, he's rich, smart, handsome, he's overprotective of his younger sister, and his father gave him morals but poor Darcy was left to follow them on his own.
Gavroche Thenardier from Les Miserables - his parents just dont care (like Seto's relatives). He unknowingly takes in his two younger brothers under his wing and protects them, until they get separated one day. He's loud, witty, clever, and he seems to know everyone.
Or all three. *cough* I heart Gavroche ~ he's so ADORABLE
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 10:51 pm
...and is killed. By bullets in the head. Mwahahahahaha!
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:36 pm
Les Mis! *happy dance* Ya... I've been doing that awhile. I have a whole list of character archetypes. It comes from studying English...
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 1:55 pm
I agree! Except I think Jou is a lousy Ophelia and a better Laertis than anything (or better yet, the witty gravedigger! lol). I just saw the play Hamlet on Monday, so of course a few questions have arisen in my mind.
1. Does Seto have a Horatio as Hamlet? 2. Would Yugi/Yami Yugi be that Horatio, despite the differences? 3. Is this idea the same with the priest Seto, with Kisara being Ophelia (obviously)?
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:47 pm
Death T-2 I agree! Except I think Jou is a lousy Ophelia and a better Laertis than anything (or better yet, the witty gravedigger! lol). I just saw the play Hamlet on Monday, so of course a few questions have arisen in my mind. I actually pegged Yami as Laeretes, or perhaps Noa. As for Ophelia, I like Anzu as Ophelia as well. Quote: 1. Does Seto have a Horatio as Hamlet? Well... Yes. Personally, I am a puppy/prideshipper, but Joey could well be Horatio. Quote: 2. Would Yugi/Yami Yugi be that Horatio, despite the differences? Erm... I suppose he could fill he same role, but Seto makes that difficult for anyone. Again, I think Anzu fits that role, if Joey doesn't. Quote: 3. Is this idea the same with the priest Seto, with Kisara being Ophelia (obviously)? Yup. Kisara makes a really good Ophelia. Akunadin being Claudius etc.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:31 pm
Fyerluna Les Mis! *happy dance* Ya... I've been doing that awhile. I have a whole list of character archetypes. It comes from studying English... I read Les Mis, unabridged, in half a week. That's roughly 1500 pages in 4 days. I love that flipping book. You're gonna be an English major, I know it. cool
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:36 am
Xesca Fyerluna Les Mis! *happy dance* Ya... I've been doing that awhile. I have a whole list of character archetypes. It comes from studying English... I read Les Mis, unabridged, in half a week. That's roughly 1500 pages in 4 days. I love that flipping book. You're gonna be an English major, I know it. cool Heh... so do I. I got accepted to university that way.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:21 am
Waiiiiiiiiit a minute, you got to write an essay on YGO?! *wishes she was so lucky* gonk
FC
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:52 am
Very nice analogy.... Very nice. Now, write one explaining why Seto Kaiba isn't an English Muffin. (LOL) Just kidding I've been reading too much of Heero Is Not Toast lately on the GW Guild.
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:11 am
Hmm...a very interesting topic you bring up, Fyerluna. I want to read/see Hamlet.
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:00 pm
Well he clearly is an English Muffin Arashi. I mean really, how can he not be? *breaks down laughing* Seriously though, I haven't gotten it back yet, but when I do, I'll post my mark.
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 7:10 pm
Fyerluna Well he clearly is an English Muffin Arashi. I mean really, how can he not be? *breaks down laughing* Seriously though, I haven't gotten it back yet, but when I do, I'll post my mark. I suggest we mob the grader if Fyerluna gets nothing less than 100%. Who agrees?
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 8:50 am
Xesca Fyerluna Well he clearly is an English Muffin Arashi. I mean really, how can he not be? *breaks down laughing* Seriously though, I haven't gotten it back yet, but when I do, I'll post my mark. I suggest we mob the grader if Fyerluna gets nothing less than 100%. Who agrees? *jumping up and down* I do! I do! xd
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