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Da_Nuke

PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:49 am


I got the idea of creating a conlang to cheat on school tests after 2 months of passing a friend my answers on the integral calculus test. We tried all sorts of methods to copy in the test. Most of them failed, and he never scored more than 30 over 100. I thought about many, many methods, but I figured out that a conlang would be a good one after I wrote a formula in my desk with Georgian letters.

That would be a lot of work, because I would need a conlang that allowed you to pass explanations about philosophy and psychology, as well as about chemistry, physics, programming and math. It would also require some sort of sign language, because teachers usually don't let you speak on the test.

Anyone agrees?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:21 am


If you're going for a sign language, I'd suggest not using declensions. Stay away from the sibilants and probably any voiced sounds if you're going to use it to speak quietly. I can't imagine you'd want to be overheard.

I'd suggest sticking to a word order similar to languages you already speak; SVO would probably be good in your case. I'd stay away from more complicated verb tenses; the subjunctive past is best to be avoided.

Another idea I have is a very simple kind of sign language that is basically inconspicuous; spelling stuff out by tapping your fingers on your desk. So the letter 'A' could be tapping your pointer finger, 'B' on your middle finger, and so on. Past the first five letters, you'd start using two fingers at the same time and so on. There's 24 possible combinations on one hand; enough possible finger combinations for all of the letters which you'd really need (you could take out letters like 'q' and 'x' and replace them with 'k' and 'ks').
If you went into two hands, you could have all of the letters, all of the numbers, all of the mathematical signs, and a good number of basic words. 3nodding

This would be completely undetectable to other people; it would just look like you were fidgeting.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:16 pm


I've used personal languages to cheat before. Heck, I've used Japanese to cheat before.

I've only done it for personal cheating, though... Never to help out someone else.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:51 am


I've never tried anything like this, nor would I these days, for in university the risks of getting caught cheating (like, getting expelled from the uni.) is far worse than failing a test.

However, I will agree with Eccentric that the tapping signals would be most inconspicuous. I've had classmates that did that. But they only used it on mutliple choice tests, so it was very simple.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:52 am


[Teuflisch]
I've never tried anything like this, nor would I these days, for in university the risks of getting caught cheating (like, getting expelled from the uni.) is far worse than failing a test.

However, I will agree with Eccentric that the tapping signals would be most inconspicuous. I've had classmates that did that. But they only used it on mutliple choice tests, so it was very simple.

You see, he posted in the other guild that his friend is probably going to fail a bunch of classes if he doesn't get help. gonk

I say go for the tapping. mrgreen
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:24 am


Oh, you're here too, Da Nuke. I would not approve of cheating, but tapping in that way, or in a way like morse(sp?) code would be a way of communicating. That way they could just listen rather than sending a bunch of glance at your hand. Or use both, so it is less conspicuous. One more thing: DON'T CHEAT!

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Da_Nuke

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:51 pm


Hmmmm. Tapping. I guess that's a really good idea. Next step would be to read the Zompist's Language Construction Kit, 'cause I've never done it before.

And yes, I'm afraid I have to cheat. This guy seriously needs help with math; he's even thinking about leaving industrial engineering and entering laws. But he needs to pass the math subjects in order to get a decent average. That's why I need to do it. He usually expects to get something done just by running a formula or a procedure, ignoring that math is more of an art than a science.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:08 am


Da_Nuke
Hmmmm. Tapping. I guess that's a really good idea. Next step would be to read the Zompist's Language Construction Kit, 'cause I've never done it before.

And yes, I'm afraid I have to cheat. This guy seriously needs help with math; he's even thinking about leaving industrial engineering and entering laws. But he needs to pass the math subjects in order to get a decent average. That's why I need to do it. He usually expects to get something done just by running a formula or a procedure, ignoring that math is more of an art than a science.


No, art is a science. If it was an art, I wouldn't be good at it. Math is logic and science.

Domerin Thompson


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:45 am


He also needs to learn to do his own work. I don't see why he needs to cheat.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:04 pm


Hermonie Urameshi
He also needs to learn to do his own work. I don't see why he needs to cheat.

Trust me, he does his own work and has showed me like 30 pages full of math scribblings, but I do it because he just can't keep up... he sometimes even forgets l'Hôpital's rule, which is really ******** simple. He even takes private lessons from a teacher. The thing is, that he just can't keep up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:33 pm


Maybe he should be tested for dyscalculia? ninja

I have such issues myself, and my psychiatrist told me to go get evaluated.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:22 pm


If he really wanted to pass, he would pin-point his problems and overcome them in anyway he can, excluding cheating.

Domerin Thompson


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:14 am


Domerin Thompson
If he really wanted to pass, he would pin-point his problems and overcome them in anyway he can, excluding cheating.

That's not always an option.

If he's like me, then he will struggle to learn a concept in math that seems so simple, so trivial to most people, and when he finally understands it, it will completely slip his mind.
I know that for me, no matter how hard I try, I can not remember the simplest concepts for the live of me (and often can't even remember numbers). Not long ago, I was having severe troubles doing one tiny arithmetic problem -- 22 - 7. I took ten minutes trying to work it out and finally used a calculator.

And keep it in mind that I like math. I just can't do it.

I get the impression that this guy has no intention of pursuing a mathematics-related career, but failing this class would pretty much botch his chances of getting the job that he does want. I don't generally condone cheating myself, but if it has the chance of helping him on his way and has no chance of hurting anyone else, I say to go for it.

Sometimes things aren't so clear cut.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:54 am


Yes they are. I'm tired of people saying they can't do thing. Somethings maybe harder, but they are never entirely out of your reach. It's like that whole thing with this so-caled "writers' block" - it is an excuse. The only way you could possibly be stuck in a story is if you corner yourself. Samething in anything else. The only way you can get trapped is to trap yourself, and the only way to trap yourself in most subject, including math, is to not try hard enough. I have problems with languages, but if I actually bothered to try, I could learn. The simplist thing in the world is always defined by pop-psycologist as hard. Just do it and keep at it. Choices are hard, acting and continuing to act is not.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:13 pm


Domerin Thompson
Yes they are. I'm tired of people saying they can't do thing. Somethings maybe harder, but they are never entirely out of your reach. It's like that whole thing with this so-caled "writers' block" - it is an excuse. The only way you could possibly be stuck in a story is if you corner yourself. Samething in anything else. The only way you can get trapped is to trap yourself, and the only way to trap yourself in most subject, including math, is to not try hard enough. I have problems with languages, but if I actually bothered to try, I could learn. The simplist thing in the world is always defined by pop-psycologist as hard. Just do it and keep at it. Choices are hard, acting and continuing to act is not.

I have severe issues with languages as well. My psychiatrist told me that my learning disabilities were too severe, that I would be completely unable to learn. Yet learn I do; to a degree far beyond that of most people. Believe me, the math thing is different.

Don't tell me about trying, and please don't tell me about being trapped. rolleyes
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