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 Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:00 pm
Thus probably should go in Learning Japanese, but the idea is just too odd to not be the general zone.
I was watching Dragon Zakura(a really awesome J-Drama) last week, and a teacher they brought on for English, had an interesting way to teaching the kids, in which he got them out of their seats, and singing, and moving along to popular English songs, making the claim that 100 of the most used English sentence structures could be found in the songs they sung(they turned out to learn the most from that method, by the way).
My questrion to you all is: can that also be applied to Japanese learning? Can music help bridge the gap between cultures? Are there other in popular media that can aid us in learning Japanese, and have you tried them for yourself?
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:53 pm
I watch Dragon Zakura every week. and yes, they can be applied anywhere. The thing is though, the methods and strategies explained in this series and the way the teacher explains how to quickly memorize and apply various methods of teachings into lightning quick reflexes is in essence a grouping of actual tried and true methods.
in all seriousness, these methods on the show are REAL SUCCESSFUL METHODS TO PASS JAPANESE EXAMS. Not just in Toudai, but also the way he says how to memorize various things, how to keep things fresh in your mind, all of these are statistically proven by Todai and Waseda Daigaku themselves.
They can be applied, and a good example is that of the singing method. Anything that grabs your attention and can be used for quick memorization can be used at any time. I learned a majority of my japanese from constant trips to japan and by watching japanese anime. best one being Evangelion, Dragon ball Z, Doraemon, and Tekkaman Blade (aka Technoman in the US).
Hope that helped. RyuZakura is really sweet. I've been using their strategies for learning to my own college classes and my grades actually did get better. Amazingly everything works.
Inside joke: "Poor, poor slave... 30's score and recorded by the TV guys..."
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:09 pm
Yes, you can learn from Japanese songs, but there's a little problem. JPop songs today have more English in them than ever, plus there's not much grammar that follows it, so be careful!! But it's a good way to learn. You'll memorize it too. heart
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:36 am
Kansai_Angel I watch Dragon Zakura every week. and yes, they can be applied anywhere. The thing is though, the methods and strategies explained in this series and the way the teacher explains how to quickly memorize and apply various methods of teachings into lightning quick reflexes is in essence a grouping of actual tried and true methods. in all seriousness, these methods on the show are REAL SUCCESSFUL METHODS TO PASS JAPANESE EXAMS. Not just in Toudai, but also the way he says how to memorize various things, how to keep things fresh in your mind, all of these are statistically proven by Todai and Waseda Daigaku themselves. They can be applied, and a good example is that of the singing method. Anything that grabs your attention and can be used for quick memorization can be used at any time. I learned a majority of my japanese from constant trips to japan and by watching japanese anime. best one being Evangelion, Dragon ball Z, Doraemon, and Tekkaman Blade (aka Technoman in the US). Hope that helped. RyuZakura is really sweet. I've been using their strategies for learning to my own college classes and my grades actually did get better. Amazingly everything works. Inside joke: "Poor, poor slave... 30's score and recorded by the TV guys..." One of my favorted method, is taking a sentence, and spark a mini J-drama, of sorts, and try to write out what the charecter's say, into Japanese.*as a writer, this is would also double as a creative exercize* I hope I can find it available to download somewhere, as the typical thing to do with J-dramas is to never repeat an episode, and I got into it rather late into the series. Also of note, is that the series actually is called Dragon Zakura in Japan. *you can see that, because they use Katakana to spell out Dragon( Dragon Zakura in the Drama-Wiki)*, and that it's only 11 episodes long. Dammit.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:20 am
From what I've read singing uses a different part of the brain than speaking, a more memory-oriented part. mrgreen
I have quite a few Japanese song on my computer, first I memorize the lyrics, then I look up the translation and read it while singing, it works wonders for picking up new words and such.
I memorized the entire verse of a Rammstein song this way, as well as the meaning:
1 Ich würde gern etwas zerstören
2 Doch es darf nicht mir gehören
3 Ich will ein guter Junge sein
4 Doch das Verlangen holt mich ein
5 Ich muss zerstören
6 Doch es darf nicht mir gehören
1 I would like to destroy something
2 But only if it doesn't belong to me
3 I want to be a good boy
4 But the desire overtakes me
5 I must destroy
6 But only if it doesn't belong to me
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:07 am
My accent has improved A LOT thanks to Jrock~ reading through the lyrics then listenin to how they are prounced~
i think it works, ive learnt lots of new things becuase of music<3
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:49 pm
I'm sure music can help, especially with memorization. But you should be very careful for a few reasons:
arrow Words are pronounced differently in songs. Well, different is the wrong word - it is the same pronunciation. But at times certain vowels in Japanese are silent, but music tends to elongate every syllable. So while it may improve your vocabulary, it's not good to speak the way you hear word spoken in a song.
arrow Some phrases are poetic and unusual in common speech.
arrow The grammar is very often different from normal speech so that the song can flow better. Japanese sentences are often very long, so to make them fit in the song the writers often change the grammar slightly.
But... music is love. heart
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:18 pm
I think it is possible to learn a language with music, however it shouldn't replace qualified teachers.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:56 am
ichigobabababy I think it is possible to learn a language with music, however it shouldn't replace qualified teachers. Most certainly not. If it could be, a lot of Language teachers would be out of a job. *softly laughs* As I see it, this method of learning is an excellent supplement to teaching, but its not as effective, if it were used by itself. In a manner of speaking, it is the support beam of your learning, and should never become the whole building. Shaky foundations often crumble, as I have learned. ... Man, that metaphor sucked. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:08 am
I think music would aid you in learning Japanese for understanding purposes, but I don't think it would help in learning complete Japanese that is needed for composition and conversation.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:18 am
Koiyuki ichigobabababy I think it is possible to learn a language with music, however it shouldn't replace qualified teachers. Most certainly not. If it could be, a lot of Language teachers would be out of a job. *softly laughs* As I see it, this method of learning is an excellent supplement to teaching, but its not as effective, if it were used by itself. In a manner of speaking, it is the support beam of your learning, and should never become the whole building. Shaky foundations often crumble, as I have learned. ... Man, that metaphor sucked. sweatdrop eheh whee it would be great to have a japanese teacher who gives you as homework "translate the word of this song by -insert name of a j-pop/rock band here-! and analyze its grammar!"
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:11 am
ichigobabababy Koiyuki ichigobabababy I think it is possible to learn a language with music, however it shouldn't replace qualified teachers. Most certainly not. If it could be, a lot of Language teachers would be out of a job. *softly laughs* As I see it, this method of learning is an excellent supplement to teaching, but its not as effective, if it were used by itself. In a manner of speaking, it is the support beam of your learning, and should never become the whole building. Shaky foundations often crumble, as I have learned. ... Man, that metaphor sucked. sweatdrop eheh whee it would be great to have a japanese teacher who gives you as homework "translate the word of this song by -insert name of a j-pop/rock band here-! and analyze its grammar!" At least then the kids wouldn't be so lazy about the homework given. *I know I wouldn't be, at least* And that would be correct, NakaTake. In bits and pieces, it's a good tool, but a whole song is...a whole song, and you will look weird singing all your sentences.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:44 pm
I think it's probably the best way to learn Japanese. One- It's entertaining, so there's no getting bored and falling asleep like in classes XP. Two- You could do all on your own in your own time. And it's the way I learned some Japanese. 4laugh
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:03 pm
it is not the smartes way, one they sometime use REALLY simple grammar, but confusing verb and noun, two, the pronounce sound different, and three, some words are not said in japanese often
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