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 Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:52 pm
hi i have created four questions that will disprove science textbooks on evolution (we may look different from adam and eve but because of radiation) and the theory of the big bang.
1. If we evovled from apes, why are apes still around?
2. Where did the material for the Big Bang come from?
3. Where did the first cell come from?
4. Where did water, and air come from if space is airless?
i apologize for my typing i am extremely excited about this! reply however you wish.
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:22 pm
Scientists love to play with that type of stuff.
I read a wonderful book that my mom is using for Sunday school (let me see if I can get the title).
It doesnt say that science is wrong as much as it says that God and science go hand-in-hand. It explains that the creation of the universe was delicate, too big or too small it would collapse on itself. It also explains that the plants in our solar system serve a purpose for life on earth. The gas giants actually protect earth from space debrie (you'll have to excuse my spelling). It explains that without the gas giants we would be bombarded with metors and such much more often. It also explains that a single DNA being created is a very delicate and rare chance to just happen. Basically, it says science has the facts, they just think that they are facts and nothing else. God is the one who gave us all the sutible conditions for life, and he created us, and he created conditions sutible for us to live it. Some people may see science as disproving God, when it actually supports him. So many chances are very unlikely to occur without divine intervention.
The book is Off the Edge by Adam Fransisco
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:35 pm
Also about the "KT" event... a meteor that size would have literally destroid the Earth... explain that! It was supposed ly 2 times the size of Everest and wiped out land life ALL OVER THE GLOBE! the earth would crack!
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:54 pm
Yeah, there are so many things that disprove evolution, and so many scientific facts that prove God's existence. Though I don't have time to go and research that right now, but I'm sure you guys know what I mean. Science is cool....until it starts to drift from facts and goes into theories...which many people forget are not facts. Evolution? A theory. Big Bang? A theory. None of these have actually been proven, but yet they seem to be published as facts in school textbooks....which bothers me. But yeah. Science is cool when it sticks to facts, and it (like Ginger Snapple said) even helps prove God's existence. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:46 pm
if u try to awnser my questions u have to do them in order and make sure your awnsers dont contradict each other
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:24 am
I think the title should be changed: It shouldn't be "This disproves science," but "This disproves evolution," since evolution is not science. Rather, evolution can be part of what is mentioned in the Scriptures as "false science" (1 Timothy 6:20).
True science can't be put against the Creator. Why? Because true science depends on what the Creator has made. Our God is the author of the truth, and something that goes against the truth of God can't be really true.
The questions are good, by the way. They try and try to explain, but all they can make is just imagine and make conjectures. We can't pretend to know our past if we say that the Scriptures are wrong, so mainly that's it.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:55 am
Let me say this. I'm no scientist. I stopped speaking to that side of my brain years ago. I do not UNDERSTAND evolution or a whole lot else about the universe, but...
If it wasn't for scientists and their work, I would be dead right now. Yep, I'd be dead right now. I was a very sickly child and were it not for penicillin and a myriad of other drugs I would have hacked up my lungs and died by now, so hurray for scientific thinking!
I also think that we all need to remember one of the few things I understood from elementary school science experiments. If you can't test a hypothesis, if you can't measure it, it's not science. If you can't test it, it belongs in a philosophy catogory or somewhere else in the academic world.
Can we get a urine sample from God? No. I hope not. The other thing science does is that it removes the mystery from a thing. It's no longer holy (in a way) once you cut it up and analize it. It takes the mystery away. So let's CALM DOWN and not worry so much. Let's also not impose something that can't be tested (like creation) on scientists. Messing up their thinking could damage the rest of our lives a lot.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:08 am
I agree with the basic theory behind your post-- though I'm at a loss for how much it really accomplishes. I mean... science is as real as it can possibly be, and I don't think that it's really our job to disprove it. Question, yes, and oppose when necessary, certainly. However, even science follows the laws set down by God-- as the Master Architect of the Universe, God laid down the laws that dictate everything from the number of times a dolphin breathes per hour to the apogee and perigee of a revolving satellite. I think our time and energy would be better spent showing how the facts of the world work IN HARMONY with and BY THE DESIGN of God.
My take on the Big Bang and Evolution-- firstly, the Bible is written in words and in a way that the people of the time could understand it. The Creation takes place over the course of 7 days, despite the fact that the way we measure days and nights (the sun and the moon) were not created until the third "day." Our time is not necessarially God's time-- and if He wanted to take millions of years to set the universe up the way He wanted it, then I think He was in the right to do so. And, hey, if God wanted to bring the Universe into Being with a fireworks show (the Big Bang), who's to say that He couldn't/didn't?
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:00 pm
and i have some questions to ask you:
1. How is disproving this useful?
2. Do you feel disproving science gets you closer to heaven?
3. Have you considered any other thoughts besides that science is wrong?
4. Who is this useful to?
to answer your questions:
1. apes are still around because certain families of apes stayed in one area, and other moved to another with a different climate causing them to change. Now you might ask why humans live everywhere and don't evolve? but they do, think of skin color, a european with european ancestry is white, but an african with african ancestory is black, due to evolution.
2. I don't believe in the big bang theory, so i'm not going to answer this one, but thats why its only a theory.
3. thats a good question, but i believe fungi were the first living beings on earth, which does make sence, my theory is, it was probably more of an underwater plant, that then evolved into a sort of half fish, half plant creature, then continued to evolve which turned into whales, and eventually some of these sea creatures began to adapt to land, and land creatures were made. now that is what i've just came up with using scientific reason and the bible, because if you look at genesis, the plants came first, than sea life, that life on land.
4. this one will be more confusing, but here it goes, the best reason for this is probably, because air is not just one chemical, but many, so the gases in air our probably not found in the universe in the same place, except for where they met with an object (earth), with a strong enough gravitational pull to bring the gases, to make air, and substain an atmosphere that would trap the gases there.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:21 pm
sorry, i moved this to debates because technically it is an argument
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:35 pm
As for number one, evolving doesn't necessarily make the thing that was evolved from useless. D: Like, while it's not necessarily 'evolution,' some people are born more athletic than others, but there are still unathletic people in the world.
Or something. u_u;
And I think the Big Bang theory probably came from how suns are formed.
But yeh, I try not to think about these things. Dx
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:03 pm
1) You already answered that one
2) Actually, the BBT says that first, the Universe collapsed into itself to form that little ball of matter that everntually combusted. Science has no answer for where the original Universe came from.
3) If you're refering to the Law of Conservation of Matter, it's only a law of science because nobody has ever seen matter created. The first cell came from... say it with me... "G-O-D." I know all the answers of science, lol.
4) I don't care where water and air came from as long as they're here. When they disappear, THAT will be the time when we need to figure that one out.
Here's another thing. Have you ever heard the phrase, "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist?" Well, here it is. Tell me which is more likely; that a little ball of compressed matter (that came from where?) blew up billions of years ago and formed a planet just the right distance from a flaming ball of fire (the sun) and things came together just right on that planet so that there was water, air, an abundance of plants and animals, and a race of people smart enough to build the computer and form the Internet on which I am conversing with you, or *takes a deep breath* God said "Let there be ______," and there was. I'd rather just believe that somebody greater than myself is up there watching out for me.
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 8:15 pm
i think the logical solution would not be denying science, but saying this happened and is true, because logically alot of science and evolution is right, but that it happened through god and because of god
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 8:16 pm
sean.net 1) You already answered that one 2) Actually, the BBT says that first, the Universe collapsed into itself to form that little ball of matter that everntually combusted. Science has no answer for where the original Universe came from. 3) If you're refering to the Law of Conservation of Matter, it's only a law of science because nobody has ever seen matter created. The first cell came from... say it with me... "G-O-D." I know all the answers of science, lol. 4) I don't care where water and air came from as long as they're here. When they disappear, THAT will be the time when we need to figure that one out. Here's another thing. Have you ever heard the phrase, "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist?" Well, here it is. Tell me which is more likely; that a little ball of compressed matter (that came from where?) blew up billions of years ago and formed a planet just the right distance from a flaming ball of fire (the sun) and things came together just right on that planet so that there was water, air, an abundance of plants and animals, and a race of people smart enough to build the computer and form the Internet on which I am conversing with you, or *takes a deep breath* God said "Let there be ______," and there was. I'd rather just believe that somebody greater than myself is up there watching out for me. But like, if the big bang were true, wouldn't it be as likely that we could've been like... blue people with fives arms, two noses, and a butt for a head? D: While the odds aren't big, it wouldn't be exactly impossible for things to set up like this, right? D:
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:41 pm
Crazy Knife Bap sean.net 1) You already answered that one 2) Actually, the BBT says that first, the Universe collapsed into itself to form that little ball of matter that everntually combusted. Science has no answer for where the original Universe came from. 3) If you're refering to the Law of Conservation of Matter, it's only a law of science because nobody has ever seen matter created. The first cell came from... say it with me... "G-O-D." I know all the answers of science, lol. 4) I don't care where water and air came from as long as they're here. When they disappear, THAT will be the time when we need to figure that one out. Here's another thing. Have you ever heard the phrase, "I don't have enough faith to be an atheist?" Well, here it is. Tell me which is more likely; that a little ball of compressed matter (that came from where?) blew up billions of years ago and formed a planet just the right distance from a flaming ball of fire (the sun) and things came together just right on that planet so that there was water, air, an abundance of plants and animals, and a race of people smart enough to build the computer and form the Internet on which I am conversing with you, or *takes a deep breath* God said "Let there be ______," and there was. I'd rather just believe that somebody greater than myself is up there watching out for me. But like, if the big bang were true, wouldn't it be as likely that we could've been like... blue people with fives arms, two noses, and a butt for a head? D: While the odds aren't big, it wouldn't be exactly impossible for things to set up like this, right? D: but thats why god with science works, god gave us the materials to be succesful, heads, enough arms, etc. and science explains what happened, and god explains how and why it happened
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