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The_Winter_Wolf

PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:53 am


The question rephrased in a different manner; what do you (not a dictionary nor an encyclopedia) consider jazz to be?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:52 am


I really have no idea what I could say that would completely satisfy my interpretation of jazz. > < I hate trying to answer this question.

Ash Rail


The_Winter_Wolf

PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:35 am


Ash Rail
I really have no idea what I could say that would completely satisfy my interpretation of jazz. > < I hate trying to answer this question.


This is perhaps one of the most difficult questions a person into jazz can answer. Jazz is many things to a person, whether he be a musician or a listener. One definition for jazz is:

"Expressing one's inner most soul in the art of improvisation".

That is one definition; a definition for a musician. There are many definitions; each different for every person.

((I notice that 3 people voted in the poll. (I did not). It is rather interesting to see that people will vote in the poll but will not post their opinion. I commend you, Ash. You are the only person willing to post))
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:39 am


bleh, I never vote without posting why I voted or some sort of comment.
That's just rude otherwise. Still, thank you.

Your definition is sorta what I had in mind, but the friend I mentioned a few times in another thread here, the one who's a death metal head, is actually a pretty solid soloist. He's spanish-classical too and has quite a bit of jazz background. With that, he's pretty set. Sadly he's the only death metal kid I know who understands jazz.

He's played for me some pretty interesting solos, and he claimed that jazz isn't the only venue for strong solos. I wasn't partial to any of the songs he played me, but I did give credit where it was deserved. These were actually melodic lines and phrases.

The other thing that stands out is when the piano player in my combo, the alto, and me all tried to explain to this kid why Charlie Parker solos are on a completely different level.

...anyway, my point is that a lot of music has improvisation. There's a local channel here with polka on in the early afternoon. Some of the tenor players on there take a mean solo, but I wouldn't call it jazz.

; ; labelling jazz is so hard.

Ash Rail


kila_chan
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:21 am


I don't think I could define jazz; and I also think that it has a lot more to it than improvisation..and, as it has been said, a huge amount of other musical styles also incorporate improvisation. And yes, good improvisation. And jazz is definetly not 100% improvisation; god forbid that Ella is restricted to scatting.

I think part of the problem is that you would sort of have to define music at the same time..

good luck.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:46 pm


Ella really goes all out when she scats.

Ash Rail


yzz_90

PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:24 pm


Jazz is many things. It is an elusive thing, especially these with so many different types of jazz. So I'm going to just stick to "regular" or the "original" jazz to simplify things. I think that jazz is something new, something unexpected, sort of like improvisation, but a bit more. Sometimes I just improvise more classical-style music, but I wouldn't consider that jazz. Therefore, I also say that jazz is fun and spontaneous, and hard not to dance to. xd xp But then there's blues. Oh, blues. crying Outpourings of the emotions. Most music from the Romantic onwards is very emotional, specifically sounding the emotions of the composer/performer.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:25 pm


This is tying into that thread I made the other day.
The fact that people can craft emotions with nothing but sin waves floating through the air... that's magic.

Ash Rail


The_Winter_Wolf

PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:39 am


Both you people (Kila and Orizion) have posted very reasonable definitions. As I'll remind you, this is probably the most hardest question a person into jazz can answer. There is certainly no correct and certainly not a wrong answer.

As for Ash; what you described is the work of real musicians. A real musician is not a person who has a lot of skill on an instrument, no, not at all. A real musician is a person who puts his feelings and emotions into the music that he creates. As you perfectly put it, it is "magic".
PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:51 am


I told my mom's friend that I was pretty into music. She asked if I was good, so for the sake of simplicity, I just told her yes, nothing more.

Then she said, "Oh, so what does that mean? You can read music really fast?"

; ; I felt like crying.

Ash Rail


The_Winter_Wolf

PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:11 pm


Ash Rail
I told my mom's friend that I was pretty into music. She asked if I was good, so for the sake of simplicity, I just told her yes, nothing more.

Then she said, "Oh, so what does that mean? You can read music really fast?"

; ; I felt like crying.


Just give the explanation that I gave in the above post. She'll probably write you off as an idiot, but at least you know that you're right...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:17 pm


No. I already learned my lesson that you can't argue with stupid people.

Ash Rail


The_Winter_Wolf

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:44 pm


Ash Rail
No. I already learned my lesson that you can't argue with stupid people.


As seen in the other topic: "Why do people write off jazz as stupid?"
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:47 am


Oh, boy, life is sometimes difficult, eh sad Anyways, an additional point, and I'm going to refer back to classical music. When performing, musicians have to play the right notes, rhythms, etc. So, the question arises: is a good performer one that makes no mistakes? Not in my opinion. A good performer realizes the mistakes that they make and are able to effectively address them. Of course, mistakes can be fun. If you make some mistakes on purpose, it's really funny! xd domokun Wait a minute, what does this have to do with jazz? Some people think that you don't have to play the "perfect" notes or rhythms; play whatever you want. Most of jazz, however, is preplanned; the piece should be performed a certain way. But this shouldn't stop the performer from having fun. As I previously mentioned, a good performance isn't one without mistakes, but it is good if the audience can quickly get engaged.

yzz_90


sheathforkatana

PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:35 am


having fun, wadaya think does that work
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