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 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:23 am
What I don't understand now adays is the fact that our schools teach the constitution is a great document. The politicians also say that it is a great document. Yet every legitimacy a politician claims derives directly from the document they are trying to destroy. It's like reading a book, saying you love it, then taking a piss on it. No...wait...that's not right, because most politicians in both parties probably have never read the constitution.
I hate it when people say it doesn't apply to all times and it's too old to apply to today's times. That REALLY pisses me off. The constitution was baised off several other documents, including the Magna Carta. It just didn't pop out of thin ******** air. It was writen to accomidate human nature. I don't know, but last time I checked humans are still well...human. It was also writen by the greatest thinkers of all time, and they wrote it to last. Most of the original parts of the constitution could EASILY be applied to today's times and make sense. The government says it doesn't apply to today's times simply as an excuse for taking away our rights as human beings.
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:45 am
thus the inherant flaw to classical liberalism, constitutions although noble doucuments designed to limit the power of state are twisted into ways to justfiy the poltical ruling classes ever increasing power.
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:53 am
Obach Stove thus the inherant flaw to classical liberalism, constitutions although noble doucuments designed to limit the power of state are twisted into ways to justfiy the poltical ruling classes ever increasing power. Exactly
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:04 am
Obach Stove thus the inherant flaw to classical liberalism, constitutions although noble doucuments designed to limit the power of state are twisted into ways to justfiy the poltical ruling classes ever increasing power. that's the inherent flaw in any government. it exists to grow, whether or not you want it to. to attain this goal, it will do whatever necessary, the twisting of sacred (in a non-religious way) documents, the spinning of news to create fear. i don't believe there has been a government that has stopped growing, really. i guess that's what intermittent revolutions are for, i guess.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:07 am
Einzelgaenger Obach Stove thus the inherant flaw to classical liberalism, constitutions although noble doucuments designed to limit the power of state are twisted into ways to justfiy the poltical ruling classes ever increasing power. that's the inherent flaw in any government. it exists to grow, whether or not you want it to. to attain this goal, it will do whatever necessary, the twisting of sacred (in a non-religious way) documents, the spinning of news to create fear. i don't believe there has been a government that has stopped growing, really. i guess that's what intermittent revolutions are for, i guess. Yeah that's true too. The revolutions normally don't come untill people realize there mistakes though. After the government has control over everything.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:02 am
It won't happen in this country any time soon. We're too busy being entertained into a mind-numbing oblivion. Why should people care about what's going on in government when Survivor's on? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:14 am
Sango-sama1977 It won't happen in this country any time soon. We're too busy being entertained into a mind-numbing oblivion. Why should people care about what's going on in government when Survivor's on? sweatdrop the opium of the masses is reality tv lol. *Marx rolls in his grave*
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:55 pm
Sango-sama1977 It won't happen in this country any time soon. We're too busy being entertained into a mind-numbing oblivion. Why should people care about what's going on in government when Survivor's on? sweatdrop Actually, probably more numbing is the "war on terror." It's not as if anyone's going to revolt in a time so nearly after 9/11, so government can do whatever the heck it wants and nobody will do anything about it. The difference is, Bin Laden gave them the necessary terror instead of them having to provide it themselves. Eventually, as long as time allows, change in government will happen, for better or worse. Hopefully the next one won't give everyone a few months' wages' worth in federal debt.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:22 pm
CryixTheVulcher Sango-sama1977 It won't happen in this country any time soon. We're too busy being entertained into a mind-numbing oblivion. Why should people care about what's going on in government when Survivor's on? sweatdrop Actually, probably more numbing is the "war on terror." It's not as if anyone's going to revolt in a time so nearly after 9/11, so government can do whatever the heck it wants and nobody will do anything about it. The difference is, Bin Laden gave them the necessary terror instead of them having to provide it themselves. Eventually, as long as time allows, change in government will happen, for better or worse. Hopefully the next one won't give everyone a few months' wages' worth in federal debt. Exactly, and not only that, but the CIA has...well sucked these last few years too. So who can honestly say the government is actually preventing anything from happening. Something could happen even with there "protection". We might be throwing our rights away for no reason at all, other than giving some glutenous congressman more power.
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:45 am
When they say it doesn't apply to today it pisses me off as well. Of course it does, thats why there are amendments.
It IS an excuse to take our rights away, and sadly, theres nothing we can do.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:42 pm
Godless_Existence When they say it doesn't apply to today it pisses me off as well. Of course it does, thats why there are amendments. It IS an excuse to take our rights away, and sadly, theres nothing we can do. Exactly!
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:40 am
there are things we can do about it! we can kick those tards right outta office, and if that doesnt work...well our ancestors took on the biggest world power of their time and i think we can too!
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:26 am
Thats right, we CAN take them on, and take them down. Libertarians don't belive in the initiation of violence, but there are plenty of ways we can rebel without it. I say we take after the ideals of Ghandi and the Civil Rights Movement, the peaceful refusal to obey laws, and self reliance. It would require a large majority of the population to participate, the LP couldn't do it alone. As things get progressivly worse, we'll probably gather large numbers of people to our cause. If we simply refused to comply with all the new antiterror laws, AKA anti american rights and liberties laws, and kept ourselves from violence, we would likely see a change in the nations attitude. Most people are not paying enough attention to whats going on around them to even know what the laws are, or what they say, what powers they give the government, what rights we lost in the process, ect. But national attention would get thim thinking and forming opinions, and it would also bring much needed publicity to the LP.
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:24 pm
5ubliminalM355ag35 I hate it when people say it doesn't apply to all times and it's too old to apply to today's times.
Likewise, I really hate when somebody can't understand part of it, so they claim that that part can be ignored in favor of their own contrary prejudices.
Case in point: The 9th amendment. Some people have a mindset where a right can't exist unless it is explicitly written out in the Constitution. They complain when the Supreme Court "invents" rights. Naturally, an amendment that says rights exist without being enumerated is something that these people can't grok.
Sadly, rather than question their mistaken mindset and come to the correct conclusion that we are presumed to be at liberty until the government proves beyond reasonable doubt that it has authority over some aspect of outr lives or property, these short-sighted people say that the 9th amendment is unusable and should be ignored.
It is tragic that what is, on paper, one of the most earth-shaking assertions of enlightened self-rule has been turned into a null footnote to the Bill of Rights.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:00 am
Sadly, Kelina theres a problem with your idea. It would greatly reduce the number of libertarins at the polls. While here in florida, nonviolent felons are finally getting their voting rights restored, most felons lose their voting rights upon commiting a felony. And I'm certain refusing to obey anti-terrorism laws will qualify. It's a good idea, and I fully support it, but I just wanted everyone to be aware that there will be consequences for it. You are, effectivly talking about breaking the law. Peacfully, and without resisting arrest, but still breaking the law. Anyne who wants to go ahead with it has my full support, and I'm sure the Lp would support it too, were we to suggest it to them. I'll have to remember to go to the homepage and post a few of these ideas in the blogs.
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