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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:45 pm


Ok so, the Deeg is a crazy inarticulate mess. It happens. A lot of people have concepts they like or want that sort of cross the borders between dream types, or aren't sure if they are giving me enough or too little information to work with.

Part of being an inarticulate mess is I honestly want to produce the BEST QUALITY WORK POSSIBLE for you, but sometimes do not know you guys well enough to be able to decide what is safe to nix for being impractical, what I should focus on, or what direction I need to take some things. Another part of being that kinda mess is I can't always say what would best help clear things up to you.

This is not so much an FAQ thread as a just legitimately ask me - do I need more on this specific thing, do I need less, what have you. Let's bounce it around. Don't worry if you've asked something before - if you're unsure or still don't get it THAT IS OK or there was a communication barrier and you still need help and that is ALSO ok. Plus, this gives your friends a chance to help you tighten your quests too, without just straight up critting them or something.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:15 pm


Okay, a few questions to start off:

Myst ages are conceptual, correct? While a Myst character would be a dimensional manifest?

How much freedom do we have when soloing/rping/etc in the Dreamery complex?

Can powers be refined/decided upon later on in the growth/manifestation process?

Can a pokemon or creature from another universe be kept as a pet canonically?

Sage:
Can a manifest come with a familiar?
Is her description too cluttered/colorful?

Massa:
Is his description too unclear?
Do I have enough references?
Do his NANO responses help you at all?
Are the floating rocks a turn off?

Lorn:
Does Lorn seem like a toddler to you?
Is their description clear?
Are their powers too OP?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:25 pm


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Gonna just take these in a bunch and go through em.

Myst ages are conceptual, correct? While a Myst character would be a dimensional manifest?
Depends on what you want out of them. I think what you're getting at is if it were someone or something FROM that age, yes it would be dimensional. If it is BASED ON that age, it would be conceptual. Because the concept of the age is what we are using as an inspiration. If it is literally cobbled together from things in that age and actually that age, that's more dimensional. You might have to clarify more on that if I'm not answering what you mean.

How much freedom do we have when soloing/rping/etc in the Dreamery complex?
This should actually be in the FAQ thread but I'll move it when we're finished discussing it. Could you elaborate what you mean by freedom for soloing and rping? Because one person might think of it as 'can I just rp here whenever I want' and some might go "Oh I can make up whatever I want for the world."


Can powers be refined/decided upon later on in the growth/manifestation process?
Yes. That's part of what manifesting is. They aren't just physically growing, the dream is becoming more 'real' or 'concrete' in some ways.

Can a pokemon or creature from another universe be kept as a pet canonically?
They'd have to acquire it canonically. Which, since certain guardians and such CAN visit Gaia, they can acquire things that might show up there. However they wouldn't initially manifest with it.

Can a manifest come with a familiar?
Depends on the familiar. Like, if it is meant to have to do with their character, we'd have to work out how close the familiar tie is, yada yada. Right now we aren't allowing Pern characters with dragons but that isn't because of familiars not being allowed but because of specifically Pern stuff being an issue right now.

For example, since you want Sage inspired by the whole jungle type Myst age and such, those colors, those plants, asking for a bird familiar is perfectly good. It suits the world, the concept, yada yada. So yeah, her familiar is fine.

Is [Sage's] description too cluttered/colorful?
I actually like Sage's description. For conceptual characters, I want to be left the freedom to be inspired by the setting, but also to know what about the setting it is you like so I can be inspired by the right things. For example, you like the PLANTS and the jungley stuff (if I'm reading right) about the Age, not necessarily the really drab looking colors from those screenshots. So if I were to play with her design I'd probably be very much focusing on what looked good with the plants and jungely look. Colorful is not a problem for later stages though it may not be as visible initially.

I might have to question the specific plants you want just because I don't know to begin with what will look good where so I while I like you included ones you're more attached to, I might ask you which were more ok to leave off for one stage than another. Its not like she couldn't develop more or change later. :3 The few in the clothes department or eh in sureness there is ok at this point.

You've given me a feel for Sage and that's all I honestly want. And you gave me a feel for what she is based on and what pulls you to that.

Is [Massa's] description too unclear?
His description is fine honestly. I might want to know if you want him more rocky looking or less. :3 That's about it. Or what things you're more ok with me going with than others. Otherwise he's fine.

Do I have enough references?
Yeah totally. I might ask for a few more if you wanted me to maaaaaybe be more open with the stone textures since those are pretty muddy screenshots. Maybe some rocks that actually interest you or that you like?

Do his NANO responses help you at all?
Not so much because they're really long and when I'm trying to do an art stint I can't really go through and read through everyone's journals and figure out what they were doing. The writing is to develop your character and so people playing with him can get an idea of what to do. For me I need more a feel from you in a more succinct fashion or a link to a few things I can quickly skim that'll really give me the feel fast. While I would adore being able to read up on every entry for every character, I just honestly don't have the time or energy to be keeping up with school, life, running the shop, art and trying to play with it at present. Maybe in future I will but for now I need to rely more on players and communication.

Are the floating rocks a turn off?
No? From what I understood they were just floaty bits that go along around him. Sorta like how Jelly has dribbly bits of slimey.

Does Lorn seem like a toddler to you?
I um...don't know how to answer this? In what way? Since they're dream creatures it honestly doesn't matter if they seem personality-wise their age. Its how they physically look and are capable. Mentally's another story since they don't have to be born or whatever they're sorta just cobbled together. So how their understanding functions is another matter.

Is their description clear?
Looks mostly fine to me. A bit complex especially for a toddler, but there's a reason I nudged it onto Sheep to draw. Sheep's skills tend to be more strongly aligned to the creepy and the dark and scary. But I am more comfortable with younger characters so never know.

From a writing standpoint, however, I found Massa and Sage's descriptions WAY clearer. Important bits were highlighted and I didn't feel like I might miss something important. I do good with lists.

Are their powers too OP?
At hatchling stage yes. As they manifest, no. But starting out you're a bit on the high end scale. HOWEVER, since this is a nightmare, their powers being a little too strong for a hatchling makes sense because they're naturally unstable. However, these wouldn't be WILLINGLY more powerful, it'd just sorta happen. That may be something you want to play with as they age - more growing stability or instability.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:39 pm


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Myst ages are conceptual, correct? While a Myst character would be a dimensional manifest?
Depends on what you want out of them. I think what you're getting at is if it were someone or something FROM that age, yes it would be dimensional. If it is BASED ON that age, it would be conceptual. Because the concept of the age is what we are using as an inspiration. If it is literally cobbled together from things in that age and actually that age, that's more dimensional. You might have to clarify more on that if I'm not answering what you mean.


So, using the age of Riven as an example, a Whark (a predatory fish... thing) or a Sunner (a plesiosaur thing) is Dimensional. One of the Moiety daggers would be dimensional or artificial. A Gehn or Catherine (myst characters) based manifest would be dimensional.

However, a manifest based off the age of Riven or the theme of one of it's islands, however that would occur, would be conceptual. Corrict?

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How much freedom do we have when soloing/rping/etc in the Dreamery complex?
This should actually be in the FAQ thread but I'll move it when we're finished discussing it. Could you elaborate what you mean by freedom for soloing and rping? Because one person might think of it as 'can I just rp here whenever I want' and some might go "Oh I can make up whatever I want for the world."

The latter. What is and is not possible in the complex? What can we and what can we not say or do?

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Do I have enough references?
Yeah totally. I might ask for a few more if you wanted me to maaaaaybe be more open with the stone textures since those are pretty muddy screenshots. Maybe some rocks that actually interest you or that you like?

Kanna found a few even better refpics for her Senka.
As for the character, it seems I should probably update him after the nano is done, now that i have a clearer idea of his character and powers.


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Is their description clear?
Looks mostly fine to me. A bit complex especially for a toddler, but there's a reason I nudged it onto Sheep to draw. Sheep's skills tend to be more strongly aligned to the creepy and the dark and scary. But I am more comfortable with younger characters so never know.

From a writing standpoint, however, I found Massa and Sage's descriptions WAY clearer. Important bits were highlighted and I didn't feel like I might miss something important. I do good with lists.


Ah, so I should clean up dhis description a bit?

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Are their powers too OP?
At hatchling stage yes. As they manifest, no. But starting out you're a bit on the high end scale. HOWEVER, since this is a nightmare, their powers being a little too strong for a hatchling makes sense because they're naturally unstable. However, these wouldn't be WILLINGLY more powerful, it'd just sorta happen. That may be something you want to play with as they age - more growing stability or instability.

So, not entirely under their control? Maybe the despair power should be tweaked.
Should I make it more a "Lorn cant control the strength of it and doesn't realize that could even be a thing, so they tend to push too hard" or "Its an aura of despair that they have no control over at all"?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:53 pm


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So, using the age of Riven as an example, a Whark (a predatory fish... thing) or a Sunner (a plesiosaur thing) is Dimensional. One of the Moiety daggers would be dimensional or artificial. A Gehn or Catherine (myst characters) based manifest would be dimensional.
If Gehn and Catherine are specific people as opposed to a race, that might be dicey. I thiiiiiiink I included somewhere in rules we can't do specific copywritten characters. Especially since the manifests wouldn't start with their literal personalities. However, if you wanted their races, that'd be dimensional. If you wanted more like their personality, you could just kinda design a character around that. If you want their powers, that'd be another matter. If you just want something inspired by them, its conceptual.

Does that make more sense?

However, a manifest based off the age of Riven or the theme of one of it's islands, however that would occur, would be conceptual. Corrict?
Yes.

The latter. What is and is not possible in the complex? What can we and what can we not say or do?
I think I included a section entirely for stuff about the main world areas. What is there and isn't. Presently they have very basic law - can't go around killing people, don't steal, beating the s**t out of someone in public without that person's consent is a no. Stuff like that on an IC level. Basically think about if you'd get arrested if you were caught doing it in a video game like Skyrim, and how likely you are to be caught doing it. If you're a very good pickpocket and work on that, you're less likely to be caught than you are just stabbing someone in the streets. IC actions have IC consequences, yada yada.

However, ooc world creation, right now, is slightly strict. You CAN ask to create some shops or areas, but you'd have to ask me OOC just because right now the world setting is extremely small when you're in the manifests universe. Guardian'd characters or characters over teen can go to Gaia if that helps any, but for now the Manifests universe is small. That will change when we expand it. But if you wanna open a business or something ICly with NPCs that's not on our list, ask and we will discuss it.

Kanna found a few even better refpics for her Senka.
As for the character, it seems I should probably update him after the nano is done, now that i have a clearer idea of his character and powers.

That's fine. So long as you get across to me what you want, I'm really not AS worried. I'm still getting to know what you want, and establishing the feel of the character for me is important.


Ah, so I should clean up dhis description a bit?
I'd discuss that with Sheep. She doesn't have gaia access atm. If she can read it its no trouble. For me, I'd prefer it but I don't have to grow the character and its your quest. If it were in a form in my thread, I'd prefer it cleaned up a bit, yeah.

So, not entirely under their control? Maybe the despair power should be tweaked.
Should I make it more a "Lorn cant control the strength of it and doesn't realize that could even be a thing, so they tend to push too hard" or "Its an aura of despair that they have no control over at all"?

That's more up to you how you want to work that in. Either of those are plausible. Its more a matter of taking that into account and working with it.
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