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Should we add Eastern Zodiacs?
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  I am offended by you incorporating the Eastern Zodiacs and do not practice a religion using them.
  I want to add them and am not offended.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:58 pm


Our theme is: Zodiac


Here you may put up your plot suggestions. Go crazy plotting, keep in mind we cannot break any copyright rules or the Gaia's TOS. For organizational purposes I posted this thread in the Plot Sub-forum. If I need to put this in the main thread, I can just let me know. biggrin

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:58 pm


Plot Suggestions:


Possible Rooms:

Western Zodiac Room
Eastern Zodiac Room
Six Rooms
Floating Castle in the sky is where the ball should be held.
The Rooms all have constellation names, such as the Big Dipper, North Star, etc.


Possible Host Ideas:

Have two Western Zodiac's Paired together

Eastern Zodiac's are pets of the Western Zodiacs

Western Zodiac's are paired as opposites

I say we use eastern and western as well as some constellation. This way our room Hosts could be one of the west, the other from the east and plenty of room for the co-hosts. If we run out of signs we can use constellations. We could use the Sun and Moon as the host room. Lady Luna and Lord Solar. Archways could lead to the other rooms.

We could do like opposites of each sign too... to make more host options. Like one person be all the "good traits" and the other be all the "bad traits"

That would mean four hosts to each room... and for the twins one person could play one set of twins.

What if some of the constellations are co-hosts?
Like bring in Orion, Caelum, Corvis, Andromeda, Leo....and some more.
Possibly have their meanings and stories coincide with their character?

Maybe have Astraio(Papa) and Eos(Mama) as overall onlookers.(Main host and Co-Host?) The rooms have two Zodiac hosts (opposites). Floaters can be other constellations.


1. Certainly two zodiac to each room, at least. I think Eastern and Western should be paired, not just for the event, but always paired. It could be any sort of relationship (married, siblings, non-romantic life partners), and they combine their powers together to keep the universe balanced and such.


Plot Ideas:

A place where some how Guests have wondered into the Celestial Realm and the Zodiac Hosts try to find a way to send them all home before time runs out


Every 100 years, the immortals who represent the world's zodiac gather together for a grand festival with the inhabitants of the world they serve. Every Gaian has received a personal invitation to the Centennial Festival. This most recent century has marked odd changes in the world of immortals as the star rearranged to create two new zodiacs: Ophiuchus and The Cat. But they were both denied entry into the group of zodiac that is steep in superstition and tradition. Categorized as non-zodiac immortals Ophiuchus and The Cat decide they will retaliate out of jealous and hatred during the most crucial time of a Zodiac's power: The Centennial Festival. Pranks, disruptions, and general chaos caused by the non-zodiac are causing the balance of the immortal realm and the Gaian realm to fall apart. Zodiac are magically, involuntarily switching and/or loosing powers, changing or loosing color, or all together starting to disappear. The Zodiac must rely on the aid of the mortals they serve to restore balance to the cosmos before the Festival ends or all is lost.
Total Characters to play: Approx. 24 if it is JUST Western and Eastern zodiac. BUT the Celtic/Irish isles have their own zodiac too. So if we add that it bumps up to 38, give or take 2.

Extras: AND if we can get permission to work them in or use, Gaia has their own "made up" zodiac created by users. What better way to bring in a user-made project then in the user-ball??

People love the zodiac; even people who think it's ridiculously hokey and stupid find humor in horoscopes and astrology. There's all kinds of things we can do that wrap around the idea of Zodiac.


1. Considering the fact that we want to have five or six rooms, how would you organize or pair the twelve signs of the Western Zodiac?

I'm still sticking with my idea with Ophiuchus being the antagonist in the ball. But since we're keeping it to 6 rooms this year, at most, I've come up with sometime else.

Ophiuchus will still be in the main room, whether it be as the main host or a secondary or whoever want to play him in the main room.

And the Zodiacs will still be together with their opposite Zodiac, personality wise and such.

Such as Capricorn is opposite to Cancer, Leo to Aquarius etc.
So the rooms will be as follows:
Aries-Libra
Taurus-Scorpio
Gemini-Sagittarius
Cancer-Capricorn
Leo-Aquarius
Virgo-Pisces

Taking one room away because Ophiuchus managed to persuade one pair of Zodiacs to join his room. He constantly talks candy into their ears to make them do his own dirty work.

And the co-hosts would be constellations.

Eh?

2. Please list one or more ideas on how you would unify the characters and mythology of the zodiac with the plot to make a fun yet accessible ball for those who might not be familiar with the mythology represented.

I don't think we should use mythology at all. Yes, both Zodiacs and constellations has mythology origins, but I think that'll be too much of a link to the Greek Mythology theme.

Instead, we go completely Zodiacs, which most people should be relatively familiar with.

Idea number 1::
There is a universe out there, you know. A universe that is not ours. No, it is the universe of the stars. You see it every night. Or more, you see them every night. Twinkling out there, you see the stars waving goodnight to you before your eyes close. You know that one of those star you belong under. They are your Zodiac.

And just this once, you have been invited to meet them! You and your fellow Gaians have been asked to join the Gala of the Stars: a once in a lifetime opportunity to mingle with the constellations and enjoy the presence of real, live, literal stars.

But hiding behind the shadows is one Zodiac. New-found Ophiuchus is watching the 12 "main" Zodiacs become praised and showered with glory from the fellow humans. He has grown bitter waiting thousands of years to be found, thousands of years to be recognized. But he is still not recognized! Gaians bask the other 12 Zodiacs with fame and fortunes, while Ophiuchus is left with none. He could not stand for it! After many millennium he has grown to be bitter and cruel. With the help of his new Zodiac recruits, Ophiuchus starts putting his plan in motion: to take over the known world! Everyone would be forced to bow down to him then. Because attention is really all her wants...


So, I was thinking Eastern and Western Zodiacs would be awesome. We could incorporate both and still use some constellations. Such as having a room named after a constellation. Oh, we can have someone even play the North Star, get it hahaha. Someone could even be the moon, I don't think we should include planets though. Although technically they are stars I feel it would be too easy to go into Greek or Roman mythology by adding planets. Secondly since the biggest issue I see with using Eastern Zodiacs is that people might get offended, I say we also make a poll and ask the Guild if we should even use the Eastern Zodiac. I was thinking our deus ex machina character could be the Sun. Anyway these are just ideas I am coming up with. And before anyone says I am jumping the gun, since there are so many ideas for pirates I didn't want to think of any just yet and try to use those ideas people suggested first.


I like the celestial temple Idea and using Ophiuchus and the cat for the main room or as villains.


There is a war going on between the Zodiac over territory, beliefs and other petty sibling’s problems like who ate the last Oreo cookie. They all have their own armies who help them fight one another to gain power. Their father Astraio, titan god of the stars and planets, and the art of astrology grew tried of their bickering and neglect of their work to help guide people. He sent them all away to an abandon temple that floated in the sky and trapped them there. The Zodiacs were confused and annoyed that not only are they not allowed to leave but they were stuck with their opposite in different rooms. Their mother,Eos, appeared before them to explain the situation more clearly and told them that they must show that they can get along with one another or be stuck here forever. Fearing that they may lose followers and thus lose powers they came up with a plan.

They noticed that the temple was more than spacious that could fill millions of people. The open air rooms, the greenery that warps around the pillars and the waterfalls that fell to the earth to become stars made beautiful scenery. This is a perfect place for a ball they all thought. They started to prepare everything and once everything was done send messages to all their army members and even new people to be their guest. The Zodiacs used their powers to open starry pathways up to the temple and every living thing in the universe came walking up. The Zodiacs were pleased with the amount of guest that turned up but could feel the tension. They were also hesitant and reluctant but the point of the ball was to get each side to get along with one another if they want to escape.

Else where, the youngest of the Zodiac, Ophiuchus, was not pleased about the whole thing. Even though he’s part of the Zodiac he was always ignore or disregard. Not even Mom or Dad seems to care and he has very few subjects that are willing to stay with him. What finally broke the straw was that his siblings never invited him to their little ball and are using one of his many temples for free. So he hatched up a scheme with his subjects to make the ball fail and cause even more tension between the siblings. While that is happening, it will bring out more of their negative traits of their personality which will affect those who are born or follow them. Thus, creating mad chaos and his siblings to lose all their powers and him being the one and only true Zodiac.

Will he succeed?
Will the 12 Zodiacs learn to get along?
Will Astraio really set them free?
Who really ate the last Oreo cookie?!

Also...I think the Eastern Zodiac can be solve by just using pets. I don't think they really need to much of a big role the plot. If someone want them to do something the owner can just type it in saying "they said hello" or "they growling at you." Playing two characters at once? One major one Minor.


Zodiacs are constellations.

Constellations are pictures made of stars.

What if the room hosts are the Zodiacs, and then the co-hosts are stars within the Zodiac constellations hosting the room? I mean, go with star names that are the more common names.

Here's stars with common names I could find.

Aries: Hamal, Sheratan, Mesartim
Taurus: Aldebaran, The Pleiades (Atlas, Pleione, Alcyone, Merope, Maia, Taygeta, Electra)
Gemini: Castor, Pollux, Mekbuda
Leo: Regulus, Al Jabbah, Algieba, Adhafera, Al Geiba, Denebola
Scorpius: Antares, Graffias, Dschubba, Sargas, Shaula, Jabbah, Girtab, Iclil, Alniyat, Lesath
Cancer: Acubens, Tegmine
Virgo: Spica, Porrima, Vindemiatrix, Heze
Capricorn: Scheddi, Dabih, Algedi, Nashira, Marakk
Aquarius: Sadalsuud, Rucbah, Skat, Sadachbia, Sadaltager
Pisces: Alpherg, Alrescha
Libra: Zubeneschamali, Lanx Australis, Brachium, Cornu, Zubenalgubi
Sagittarius: Ascella, Albaldah, Sephdar, Nushaba, Nunki, Hecatebolus, Alrami, Arkab
Ophiuchus: Rasalhague, Sabik, Cebalrai, Helkath, Imad, Kaki, Sinistra

If you wanna go with constellations directly boarding the Zodiacs, here's another list:

Aries: Perseus, Triangulum, Cetus
Taurus: Auriga, Perseus, Cetus, Eridanus, Orion
Gemini: Lynx, Auriga, Orion, Monoceros, Canis Minor
Leo: Ursa Major, Leo Minor, Lynx, Hydra, Sextans, Crater, Coma Berenices
Scorpius: Ophiuchus, Lupus, Norma, Ara, Corona Australis,
Cancer: Lynx, Canis Minor, Hydra, Leo Minor
Virgo: Bootes, Coma Berenices, Crater, Hydra, Serpens Caput
Capricorn: Aquarius, Aquila, Micoscopium, Piscis Austrinus
Aquarius: Pegasus, Equuleus, Delphinus, Aquila, Piscis Austrinus, Scultor, Cetus
Pisces: Triangulum, Andromeda, Pegasus, Cetus
Libra: Serpens Caput, Hydra, Centaurus, Lupus, Ophiuchus (if he doesn't get a room or acts like Merlin)
Sagittarius: Aquila, Scutum, Serpens Cauda, Corona Austrailus, Telescopium, Indus, Microscopium
Ophiuchus: Hercules, Serpens Cauda, Serpens Caput, Aquila

Interesting info about Ophiuchus: he's part of the Hercules family of constellations which includes Hercules (bet you couldn't guess that one), Sagitta, Aquila, Lyra, Cygnus, Vulpecula, Hydra, Sextans, Crater, Corvus, Serpens, Scutum, Centaurus, Lupus, Corona Australius, Ara, Triangulum Australe, and Crux.

Perhaps the Hercules Family can be the floating co-hosts. That would work if Ophiuchus turns into a Merlin sort of character in that he floats as well.

Alright, astronomy nerding complete.


If we just go with Western Zodiac [Leo, Libra, blah blah] I have two different ideas as represented by the arrows, matching arrows= same idea different solution to a problem's answer.

Alright so we know that mainly that the Zodiac personification would be going to [hosts and possibly secondary hosts]. But what role can official Room Role-players have?
Possible suggestions:
---> Keeper of the Stars/ Personification of stars
If we go with celestial Above as a type of setting for the Ball to take place then I bet some stars will need dusting for company! Keeping all those stars in line to make the famed constellations that represent the Zodiac is a big responsibility and someone had better do it.
<---- Character traits or Seasonal Representatives
You obviously would never dream of putting clashing elements together, so why should it be different for those of a Zodiac's court?
That said, what would be the setting?
---> The Heavens, the Space above, and of course various moons and even Down Below on Earth.
<----- Different Seasons on Elements that are represented by each MONTH in which the zodiac reigns.
Yeah that's all good and nice but what is the big dilemma that made all this happen?
----> Ophiuchus was causing problems just not in the Stars, but also managed to crash himself on Earth where he's causing a ruckus. When the stars are not aligned it causes great confusion for everyone. We're talking MAJOR problems! Zodiac signs that were able to tolerate one another are now bickering, no one knows which sign is supposed to go where and its making writing astrology columns in newspapers impossible.
<----- Sneaking into the Hall of Stars, someone has switched things around. Now Leo's as timid as a lamb! Its up to everyone to put things back in order and help the Zodiacs get their acts together.


I know I'm going a little Soul Eater Medusa here but...what if Ophiuchus uses his/her serpents to possessed the other Zodiacs. While possessed they cause some sort of trouble for the ball that annoys the other Zodiacs and guest. After they are done being possessed the victim won't remember what happen and Ophiuchus will possess the next Zodiac. So the guest might have an idea something isn't right maybe those who will be playing one of the Zodiacs have their picture/text format (if they have one) have some sort of ghostly serpent. I was wondering if it would be cheesy to have some sort of life lesson in it. Like the Zodiacs have to learn to trust one another and accept one another whether it’s their positive or negative traits. I guess the lesson at the end would be about accepting others for who they are?


2. If we don't go with the typical villain and good guys battle style, then we should do a murder mystery!
But not really murder (that's too sad), more like Ophi/The Cat, instead of being outcast or the villain, are actually an important part of keeping the universe safe/wise advisers that the rest of the zodiac come to for help. They go missing, and it's up to the zodiac and the ball goers to figure out why, when, where and how they went missing.


Links:

The Official 88 Constellations

Your Lost Zodiac Sign

The History and Mythology of the 88 Constellations

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:06 pm


My only request is that because there have been religious objections to zodiac in the past (my own included), I'm hoping we can make it as non-controversial as possible? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:12 pm


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My only request is that because there have been religious objections to zodiac in the past (my own included), I'm hoping we can make it as non-controversial as possible? sweatdrop



I just added an opinion poll for the controversy. Depending on the vote and discussing it with Pinkie, Gwen, and Violet, we will hopefully determine the best course of action.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:15 pm


Actually for me the western zodiac is more controversial. But...I dunno. It's hard to explain how I feel about it, actually. I just want us to be careful, and I don't have any ideas for it right now because I'm sleepy. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:19 pm


I don't think adding the Eastern Zodiac is necessarily offensive, I just don't think it'll be necessary. And Alv, if we ever overstep that line, let me know, because you're right, I don't want it to get too religious or offensive.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:21 pm


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Actually for me the western zodiac is more controversial. But...I dunno. It's hard to explain how I feel about it, actually. I just want us to be careful, and I don't have any ideas for it right now because I'm sleepy. sweatdrop



Ah, okay. Well, most people will expect the Western Zodiacs so I feel we can't completely not use them like the Eastern Zodiac, but like Pinkie said, if you ever feel we are over stepping the line, please let us know.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:23 pm


I'll help be the "plot cop!" 4laugh


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:30 pm


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I'll help be the "plot cop!" 4laugh



Yay~
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:31 pm


*dons cop hat and reflective sunglasses, then grabs a nightstick* I am plot cop! I have AUTHORITAH! Behave or else!

Pffft, who am I kidding? I wouldn't intimidate a four-year-old! rofl


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:35 pm


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I don't understand how the Eastern part would be offensive? How is this seen so?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:39 pm



        I agree with Eastern Zodiacs not being "offensive" per se, but I feel like if we end up using both, it'll just be too much.
        Too many hosts (24 in total, given that each zodiac is a host), either too many rooms or strange room combinations, or leaving zodiacs out because we can't afford to keep them. It'll be quite unnecessary, in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:43 pm


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        I agree with Eastern Zodiacs not being "offensive" per se, but I feel like if we end up using both, it'll just be too much.
        Too many hosts (24 in total, given that each zodiac is a host), either too many rooms or strange room combinations, or leaving zodiacs out because we can't afford to keep them. It'll be quite unnecessary, in my opinion.



In the last ball we have five or six hosts and co-hosts per room. I feel if we only have two hosts per room that would be too few. But I see what you mean. If we did six rooms, we would have four hosts and co-hosts per room. But that doesn't include floating hosts, or the main ball hosts.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:45 pm


Okay so I is here and I is very happy with our theme.
Now that , that is said, I say we use eastern and western as well as some constellation. This way our room Hosts could be one of the west, the other from the east and plenty of room for the co-hosts. If we run out of signs we can use constellations.

I like the celestial temple Idea and using Ophiuchus and the cat for the main room or as villains. if the latter is true then we could use the Sun and Moon as the host room. Lady Luna and Lord Solar. Archways could lead to the other rooms.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:45 pm


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I don't understand how the Eastern part would be offensive? How is this seen so?
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Some people use the Eastern Zodiacs in their religion, they might find it offensive if we use the Eastern Zodiacs. So, this is just an opinion poll to see where people or at on the issue.
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