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 Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:03 pm
So as I'm figuring out where exactly my beliefs lie one of the things I've been wondering about is theistic evolution.
Here's an explanation I found on a site on what this is...
Quote: Theistic evolution says one of two things. The first option is that there is a God, but He was not directly involved in the origin of life. He may have created the building blocks, He may have created the natural laws, He may even have created these things with the eventual emergence of life in mind, but at some point early on He stepped back and let His creation take over. He let it do what it does, whatever that is, and life eventually emerged from non-living material. This view is similar to atheistic evolution in that it presumes a naturalistic origin of life. The second alternative of theistic evolution is that God did not perform just one or two miracles to bring about the origin of life as we know it. His miracles were constant. He led life step by step down a path that took it from primeval simplicity to contemporary complexity, similar to Darwin’s evolutionary tree of life (fish begot amphibians who begot reptiles who begot birds and mammals, etc). Where life was not able to evolve naturally (how does a reptile's limb evolve into a bird's wing naturally?), God stepped in. This view is similar to special creation in that it presumes that God acted supernaturally in some way to bring about life as we know it.
So for those of you who have a better understanding of the scripture do you think it's possible to believe in God and this theory? Granted you'd have to take Genesis as allegory or some form of poetry and not literally.
The second alternative seems to fit more to me in that God set the cycle in motion and guided it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:24 pm
After years of college (mostly in archeology, ancient history, and some in paleontology and biology), several instances in life where I've actually witnessed some of the fossil digs and other findings (never mind the 'unexplainable miracles'), scouring scriptures and sensing the Ruach haQodesh/Holy Spirit in many of these things (and other spirits around some other articles... *ahem*), reading countless studies (some that were actually pretty good), days of constant prayer for His guidance in all things, multiple discussions in groups that advocated for and against and everything in between, I can safely say that I know even less than I did 50 years ago! XD
What I do know is this: Yah made all things, and had His reasons for them. Most things that I've seen in the scientific/historical realm, I have very good reason to believe, have been corrupted on all fronts, leaving any (and possibly all) information unviable. His concept of time, if such a thing exists for an Omnipresent Entity, isn't going to be what we think. Also, we're not going to be able to understand everything that He does, because... well, we're not Him.
Having said that, I have no choice but to take the advice of the Master Yahushua/Jesus, and come to Him 'as a child' for Him to teach.
Your completely unhelpful and equally confusing sister in Yahshua,
~MW
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:30 pm
But the symbiosis of His Word and His creation is absolutely amazing, isn't it?
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:58 pm
Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know.
It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:56 pm
SorchaRose Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know. It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. In my opinion, it seem that you have a very scientology view of it all. Almost like you believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', but if ya refer to your copy of The Holy Bible which is God's Word and to me the word that is finate then you need to re~read the first book that Moses wrote which is the book of Genesis word for word. Because even if you do believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', I will tell ya what a friend of mine said; Someone had to be there to light the fuse. History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Have a great Friday and be blessed always. Your sister in Christ Jesus our Risen Lord and Savior! Christian huggles, ~Lyn~ heart
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:17 pm
Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know. It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. In my opinion, it seem that you have a very scientology view of it all. Almost like you believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', but if ya refer to your copy of The Holy Bible which is God's Word and to me the word that is finate then you need to re~read the first book that Moses wrote which is the book of Genesis word for word. Because even if you do believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', I will tell ya what a friend of mine said; Someone had to be there to light the fuse. History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Have a great Friday and be blessed always. Your sister in Christ Jesus our Risen Lord and Savior! Christian huggles, ~Lyn~ heart Well I do believe in evolution, but as I'm questioning things I'm wondering if I do actually believe it anymore. My views on a lot of things have been flipped and turned all over the place. It's essentially like I'm back at square one. As you said if one believes in evolution it must follow that someone flipped the switch. Might I ask what version/translation of the bible do you use? I have 2 translations New King James Version and New Living Translation. I'll admit to reading sections of the bible, but not actually having read the bible in its entirety. I am planning on remedying this and going to a new church on Sunday. I think both of these will help me in answering some of my questions.
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Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:29 pm
SorchaRose It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. Woodlyn Fairee History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Amein. The Father will give us what He feels we need when it's time. The rest is just hypothesis/man's doctrine. Just give me the Word any day. I may not get it right off, but if it's good enough for Yah, it's good enough for me. ~MW
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:07 pm
SorchaRose Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know. It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. In my opinion, it seem that you have a very scientology view of it all. Almost like you believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', but if ya refer to your copy of The Holy Bible which is God's Word and to me the word that is finate then you need to re~read the first book that Moses wrote which is the book of Genesis word for word. Because even if you do believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', I will tell ya what a friend of mine said; Someone had to be there to light the fuse. History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Have a great Friday and be blessed always. Your sister in Christ Jesus our Risen Lord and Savior! Christian huggles, ~Lyn~ heart Well I do believe in evolution, but as I'm questioning things I'm wondering if I do actually believe it anymore. My views on a lot of things have been flipped and turned all over the place. It's essentially like I'm back at square one. As you said if one believes in evolution it must follow that someone flipped the switch. Might I ask what version/translation of the bible do you use? I have 2 translations New King James Version and New Living Translation. I'll admit to reading sections of the bible, but not actually having read the bible in its entirety. I am planning on remedying this and going to a new church on Sunday. I think both of these will help me in answering some of my questions. Hey y'all! Please don't go taking what I said out of context and say that I said that I believe in any thing then what the word of God says. By no means am I narrow minded nor am I wanting to get into a verbal throw down on any thing; But I will make myself very clear on this, and it is if God said it~then I believe it. Which in laymens terms simply put means that if it is in the Holy Bible, God's Word, then I believe it! Any thing that isn't in God's word is hear say and just plain ol'e fashion horse hockey. Yes, I too have my several degrees from going to college and have been more in this life than a simple bobble~headed model as some people would call it. But your right hun, going to church is the first in a series of good moves on your behalf to fully understanding God's Word, like it says in 1st Peter 2:2~"Long to grow up in the fullness of your salvation: cry for this as a baby cries for milk"(TLB) or as the K.J.V. goes of 1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby. The thing is the more we dig into God's Word, the more we grow! Christian huggles hun, ~Lyn~ heart
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:49 pm
Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know. It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. In my opinion, it seem that you have a very scientology view of it all. Almost like you believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', but if ya refer to your copy of The Holy Bible which is God's Word and to me the word that is finate then you need to re~read the first book that Moses wrote which is the book of Genesis word for word. Because even if you do believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', I will tell ya what a friend of mine said; Someone had to be there to light the fuse. History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Have a great Friday and be blessed always. Your sister in Christ Jesus our Risen Lord and Savior! Christian huggles, ~Lyn~ heart Well I do believe in evolution, but as I'm questioning things I'm wondering if I do actually believe it anymore. My views on a lot of things have been flipped and turned all over the place. It's essentially like I'm back at square one. As you said if one believes in evolution it must follow that someone flipped the switch. Might I ask what version/translation of the bible do you use? I have 2 translations New King James Version and New Living Translation. I'll admit to reading sections of the bible, but not actually having read the bible in its entirety. I am planning on remedying this and going to a new church on Sunday. I think both of these will help me in answering some of my questions. Hey y'all! Please don't go taking what I said out of context and say that I said that I believe in any thing then what the word of God says. By no means am I narrow minded nor am I wanting to get into a verbal throw down on any thing; But I will make myself very clear on this, and it is if God said it~then I believe it. Which in laymens terms simply put means that if it is in the Holy Bible, God's Word, then I believe it! Any thing that isn't in God's word is hear say and just plain ol'e fashion horse hockey. Yes, I too have my several degrees from going to college and have been more in this life than a simple bobble~headed model as some people would call it. But your right hun, going to church is the first in a series of good moves on your behalf to fully understanding God's Word, like it says in 1st Peter 2:2~"Long to grow up in the fullness of your salvation: cry for this as a baby cries for milk"(TLB) or as the K.J.V. goes of 1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby. The thing is the more we dig into God's Word, the more we grow! Christian huggles hun, ~Lyn~ heart I wasn't taking what you said out of context nor did I mean to imply that you believed in evolution merely restating what you said someone told you.
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:40 pm
SorchaRose Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know. It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. In my opinion, it seem that you have a very scientology view of it all. Almost like you believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', but if ya refer to your copy of The Holy Bible which is God's Word and to me the word that is finate then you need to re~read the first book that Moses wrote which is the book of Genesis word for word. Because even if you do believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', I will tell ya what a friend of mine said; Someone had to be there to light the fuse. History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Have a great Friday and be blessed always. Your sister in Christ Jesus our Risen Lord and Savior! Christian huggles, ~Lyn~ heart Well I do believe in evolution, but as I'm questioning things I'm wondering if I do actually believe it anymore. My views on a lot of things have been flipped and turned all over the place. It's essentially like I'm back at square one. As you said if one believes in evolution it must follow that someone flipped the switch. Might I ask what version/translation of the bible do you use? I have 2 translations New King James Version and New Living Translation. I'll admit to reading sections of the bible, but not actually having read the bible in its entirety. I am planning on remedying this and going to a new church on Sunday. I think both of these will help me in answering some of my questions. Hey y'all! Please don't go taking what I said out of context and say that I said that I believe in any thing then what the word of God says. By no means am I narrow minded nor am I wanting to get into a verbal throw down on any thing; But I will make myself very clear on this, and it is if God said it~then I believe it. Which in laymens terms simply put means that if it is in the Holy Bible, God's Word, then I believe it! Any thing that isn't in God's word is hear say and just plain ol'e fashion horse hockey. Yes, I too have my several degrees from going to college and have been more in this life than a simple bobble~headed model as some people would call it. But your right hun, going to church is the first in a series of good moves on your behalf to fully understanding God's Word, like it says in 1st Peter 2:2~"Long to grow up in the fullness of your salvation: cry for this as a baby cries for milk"(TLB) or as the K.J.V. goes of 1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby. The thing is the more we dig into God's Word, the more we grow! Christian huggles hun, ~Lyn~ heart I wasn't taking what you said out of context nor did I mean to imply that you believed in evolution merely restating what you said someone told you. O.K. my bad, I'm sorry! I mistook what ya said as to say that I said some thing that I didn't. Sorry sissy. smile BTW~How was your trip to the church you said that ya was goinna go to today? p.s.~If ya want to become friends just send me a f/r o.k. Huggles, ~Lyn~ heart
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:38 pm
Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Woodlyn Fairee SorchaRose Lol it does seem that the more you know the more confusing everything is. Or perhaps I should say the more you think you know. It's difficult in this world to sift through the lies and temptations and find the truth. Well as much of the truth as we can understand and that He sees willing to teach us at this time. In my opinion, it seem that you have a very scientology view of it all. Almost like you believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', but if ya refer to your copy of The Holy Bible which is God's Word and to me the word that is finate then you need to re~read the first book that Moses wrote which is the book of Genesis word for word. Because even if you do believe in the 'Big Bang Theory', I will tell ya what a friend of mine said; Someone had to be there to light the fuse. History, Science, Archeology and the measuring of silt to pre date all life back to the beginning all have come to one conclussion.... That the Word of God is correct in all things that are contained there in. Have a great Friday and be blessed always. Your sister in Christ Jesus our Risen Lord and Savior! Christian huggles, ~Lyn~ heart Well I do believe in evolution, but as I'm questioning things I'm wondering if I do actually believe it anymore. My views on a lot of things have been flipped and turned all over the place. It's essentially like I'm back at square one. As you said if one believes in evolution it must follow that someone flipped the switch. Might I ask what version/translation of the bible do you use? I have 2 translations New King James Version and New Living Translation. I'll admit to reading sections of the bible, but not actually having read the bible in its entirety. I am planning on remedying this and going to a new church on Sunday. I think both of these will help me in answering some of my questions. Hey y'all! Please don't go taking what I said out of context and say that I said that I believe in any thing then what the word of God says. By no means am I narrow minded nor am I wanting to get into a verbal throw down on any thing; But I will make myself very clear on this, and it is if God said it~then I believe it. Which in laymens terms simply put means that if it is in the Holy Bible, God's Word, then I believe it! Any thing that isn't in God's word is hear say and just plain ol'e fashion horse hockey. Yes, I too have my several degrees from going to college and have been more in this life than a simple bobble~headed model as some people would call it. But your right hun, going to church is the first in a series of good moves on your behalf to fully understanding God's Word, like it says in 1st Peter 2:2~"Long to grow up in the fullness of your salvation: cry for this as a baby cries for milk"(TLB) or as the K.J.V. goes of 1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby. The thing is the more we dig into God's Word, the more we grow! Christian huggles hun, ~Lyn~ heart I wasn't taking what you said out of context nor did I mean to imply that you believed in evolution merely restating what you said someone told you. O.K. my bad, I'm sorry! I mistook what ya said as to say that I said some thing that I didn't. Sorry sissy. smile BTW~How was your trip to the church you said that ya was goinna go to today? p.s.~If ya want to become friends just send me a f/r o.k. Huggles, ~Lyn~ heart No worries. I went back and reread what I posted and I can see how you thought that I implied that, should have been a little more careful with my wording redface Well didn't actually end up trying the other church, just went to the church we normally go to which is closer. I helped a friend paint yesterday and was pretty tired so I might have turned off my alarm and went back to sleep. Though the preacher at our current church is going to another church and it seems there will be some changes at the church (implementing new programs, etc). So we'll see what happens on that front. My mom has also suggested I talk with the preacher that we had before our current one. I'm planning to do this because he's very easy to talk to. I do think just asking him some of my questions and having a calm discussion will help with this whole figuring out process. Okey doke I'll send you a friend request smile
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