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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:08 pm
Hello. I wrote a very long post, but I clicked back and it got deleted... Here goes short version. The world we live in today is nothing, but electrical signals in the brain. It is designed to appear very much real. Yet it is an illusory reality formulated by our brains, which itself isn't real. What is real? Consciousness is real. We are the conscious part of the universe becoming aware of itself. All consciousness comes from a source or 1 local point and it is connected like the world wide web.
Think of the computer/internet as a simulation, within a simulation(bigger so called "Real world". We are the consciousness giving life, and meaning to the virtual world. Without consciousness the avatars on world of Warcraft wouldn't function.
The time when man first discovered fire is when man became divided. There were those who possessed technology and were powerful, and those who didn't. As civilizations progressed there became 4 distinct classes. The poor, middle, rich, and shadow class(also called priests).
Priests keep record of the occult knowledge. While the profane (us) live in ignorance. We must begin to uncover the occult knowledge, and start taking psychedelics to better understand consciousness and improve ourselves.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:21 pm
o -o I couldn't have said it better myself...
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:09 pm
I was with you until the bit about priests and psychedelics. Biblical priests are totally different: YHWH wanted his priests to teach the common person and anyone who joined his set-apart nation. Same law for both Gentile and Jew. He didn't want his ways kept "secret"; his ways are discerned by reading what's written, heeding the prophets, Jesus and the apostles—not taking drugs. In fact, he's always telling us to be sober-minded to prevent losing discernment and getting into trouble (i.e. don't get drunk, you might get your nakedness uncovered or get into brawls - Habakkuk 2:15; Proverbs 20:1). If you're hallucinating on psychedelics, and you're walking around, who knows what you'll fall into. The fact that there is such a thing as a "bad trip", is enough to fully dissuade me from trying it. Not to mention, what people describe seeing and feeling during the bad trip; it sounds demonic. Now that I mention it, it reminds me of this verse that connects lack of sobriety with getting attacked by the devil (1 Peter 5:8 ). When you're not aware of your surroundings nor aware of the nature of what you're engaging in/experiencing, you're easy prey apparently. But anyway about the priests and their duty to teach everyone: Quote: Malachi 2:7 (NIV) 7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. Quote: 2 Chronicles 15:3 (NIV) 3 For a long time Israel was without the true God, without a priest to teach and without the law. Quote: Exodus 12:49 (NIV) 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.” Quote: Habakkuk 2:2 (NIV) 2 Then the Lord replied: “Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald[a] may run with it. Footnotes: a. Habakkuk 2:2 Or so that whoever reads itQuote: 2 Chronicles 34:30 (NIV) 30 He went up to the temple of the Lord with the people of Judah, the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the priests and the Levites— all the people from the least to the greatest. He read in their hearing all the words of the Book of the Covenant, which had been found in the temple of the Lord. Quote: Jeremiah 36:1-6 (NIV) 1 In the fourth year of Jehoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2 “Take a scroll and write on it all the words I have spoken to you concerning Israel, Judah and all the other nations from the time I began speaking to you in the reign of Josiah till now. 3 Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, they will each turn from their wicked ways; then I will forgive their wickedness and their sin.” 4 So Jeremiah called Baruch son of Neriah, and while Jeremiah dictated all the words the Lord had spoken to him, Baruch wrote them on the scroll. 5 Then Jeremiah told Baruch, “I am restricted; I am not allowed to go to the Lord’s temple. 6 So you go to the house of the Lord on a day of fasting and read to the people from the scroll the words of the Lord that you wrote as I dictated. Read them to all the people of Judah who come in from their towns. I included two prophets (Habakkuk and Jeremiah), but the point remains: divine information was intended to reach the masses, not by drugs but priests and prophets. IMO, occult knowledge/mystery religions and "secret" gospels are demonic in origin: Quote: Revelation 2:24 (NIV) 24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you,
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:36 pm
There are two types of religious knowledge. That which is given out to the profane(us), and that, which is given out to the shadow class(occult, hidden). The profane are divided by religion, but the shadow class is united by it. They believe that they can become like God. I was exposed to this occult knowledge when I had my first experience with higher states of consciousness. This is why they want to keep psychedelics forbidden in society. They provide big picture truth and can collapses the entire materialistic/capitalist society.
I know that they don't want people to use psychedelics that's why plants like ayhausca, and Iboga are forbidden in modern society. Even religions forbid them to there followers. Yet alcohol and cigarettes are wide spread allowed. These do nothing to consciousness, but lower it. We are obsessed with problem solving states of consciousness.
If you take the plants you will solve fundamental questions of life. I never tried it. The only drug I tried was weed, and that didn't go so well.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 5:38 pm
Rokomo There are two types of religious knowledge. That which is given out to the profane(us), and that, which is given out to the shadow class(occult, hidden). The profane are divided by religion, but the shadow class is united by it. They believe that they can become like God. I was exposed to this occult knowledge when I had my first experience with higher states of consciousness. This is why they want to keep psychedelics forbidden in society. They provide big picture truth and can collapses the entire materialistic/capitalist society. I know that they don't want people to use psychedelics that's why plants like ayhausca, and Iboga are forbidden in modern society. Even religions forbid them to there followers. Yet alcohol and cigarettes are wide spread allowed. These do nothing to consciousness, but lower it. We are obsessed with problem solving states of consciousness. If you take the plants you will solve fundamental questions of life. I never tried it. The only drug I tried was weed, and that didn't go so well. I think this is a "1 Peter 5:8" situation; dark spirits waiting to pounce on us the moment we enter the spiritual realm and aren't armed with YHWH's discernment or protection. And this coming from a person who actively pursued the occult and was often attacked during sleep (until I repented away from all that and unto YHWH and his commands). The biblical worldview divides the information between two sources: from the Most High or from lesser beings/fallen angels/demons. Those fallen beings: (1) also operate in the spiritual realm, seeing as they are spirits,
(2) have been known to divulge information to human beings, (Book of Enoch, Chapter 6 to 8; but also, the spirits behind false prophets - 1 John 4:1; 1 Timothy 4:1; and some times, when his people wouldn't repent, YHWH would himself send deceiving spirits as punishment i.e. 1 Kings 22:23, teaching things/advising them in ways that went against his law and brought about their own destruction; in the end, it's their choice for choosing to listen to these miraculous, deceiving spirits instead of the law he gave them through his prophets and son; anything that speaks against his commandments is false).
(3) are capable of giving us psychic abilities (example, Acts 16:16-19, she was possessed and the apostle Paul, whom was in-dwelled with the Holy Spirit, drove her divining spirit out; that spirit allowed her to know about people she never met and enabled her to predict the future),
(4) want to lead us to our death once they take possession of a corpse, human or animal (like how the demons drove the pigs into the lake in Matthew 8:30-31 to drown them, and drove a kid through fire and water in Mark 9:22 in attempts to burn/drown him to death, respectively; people undergoing "bad trips" are described as having "suicidal tendencies", sounds just like demonic possession). I for one do believe in Jesus' miracles and his exorcisms as they're documented in the canonical gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John), including the information he offers about demons. The devil/darkness can endow a person with power, enabling you to perform miracles too, according to 2 Thessalonians 2:9. When they accused Jesus of being endowed by the dark side, he said Satan will not/cannot drive out Satan, he was doing it instead by the power of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:26-32); so, there must be two opposing forces then: if you believe the Jesus of the scriptures is dark side, then you'll believe the one behind astrology, divination, medium-ship and channeling is of the light. But I believe Jesus is of the light, thereby making his adversaries dark and all the practices condemned by our Heavenly Father being of the dark too. Another example are the Pharaoh's magicians (though the devil is never credited outright, Pharaoh's magicians are coming against Moses—a man empowered by YHWH's Holy Spirit—in an attempt to discredit Moses' miracles and the source from which those miracles come from; thus we can infer that it's from the devil/fallen spirits since they're coming against YHWH, not in support of him). And in Revelation 13:4, the beast and false prophet are enabled by the devil's power. Those are the two sources the bible gives: YHWH or demonic. If either of these two would be classified as "shadow", it would be the demons. Also "of the shadow" would be false prophets and corrupted priests who speak against YHWH's revelations (again, the revelations which we common people have access to; revelations which are anti-elite as well, which I'll get to). From personal experience in astral projection (or attempts to do it, rather) and the occult itself (I engaged in divination; won't mention the type as I do not want to encourage anyone to pursue it), I'm convinced of this: the occult is demonic/shadow; YHWH and his scriptures are life-giving light. If we were to follow what Jesus says, that would definitely collapse the entire materialistic/capitalist society, yet his information, as we common folk have in our hands today, is revealed for all to see; it's not secret. The way the early Christians lived, when finally filled with the Holy spirit in Acts 2, is diametrically opposed to "greedy hoarding of material wealth". Acts 2:42-47 (NIV)
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. Also, like I hinted at earlier, the information in the scriptures is very anti-elite: Zephaniah 1:8; Isaiah 24:21; Psalm 76:12, to name a few. He's always threatening the kings of a nation, his own nation more often than not, especially when they're not following the scriptures given to the Israelites, as we common people have them written in our hands today, not some secret version. Threatening to kill the kings and priests who don't teach according to our common folk scripture (Hosea 5:1) is anti-elite, not pro-elite/dark-side. Israel wasn't even a formidable nation; they're not like China or North Korea. YHWH always picks the little guy, beats out the elites who come against his anointed, and wins (i.e. poor carpenter Jesus, poor shepherd-boy David, barren Sarah, speech-impediment Moses to lead/speak on behalf of YHWH when leading a whole nation out of egypt). Not only did he often hate elites, but also elitist attitudes: Luke 14:12-14 (NIV)
12 Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” When you have the bible speaking against the elites and elitist attitudes, you have to ask yourself: is it actually a part of the shadow? What keeps us in bondage is debt, love of money, the pride of life, being guided by the desires of the flesh instead of the spirit, and he spoke against all of that in the widely-accessible scriptures we have today, even adding provisions in his society to free people from debt every 7 years and 50 years; if they couldn't pay what they owe, yeah they had to sell themselves as slaves to pay off their debt, but their debts were wiped completely after a time (Deuteronomy 15:1 and Leviticus 25:8-55). Total opposite of what we're facing today. That was a bit long sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:53 pm
So if it's all a web of consciousness creating an illusory world then what's the point?
From here we acknowledge a nihilistic view or we take an existential view and make something out of nothing. Or we do both. Or nothing. It doesn't really matter. lol
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:11 pm
Obscurus So if it's all a web of consciousness creating an illusory world then what's the point? From here we acknowledge a nihilistic view or we take an existential view and make something out of nothing. Or we do both. Or nothing. It doesn't really matter. lol The point is the consciousness is duplicating itself through self awareness. That is at least what I see is happening. As soon as we give birth to computer AI we will have a new way of looking at things. It is about making things more real. Through self awareness computer AI and human AI will create a new paradise here on earth. The idea of what this illusory world is for is open to speculation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8Op6_D_1Q
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:14 pm
Rokomo Obscurus So if it's all a web of consciousness creating an illusory world then what's the point? From here we acknowledge a nihilistic view or we take an existential view and make something out of nothing. Or we do both. Or nothing. It doesn't really matter. lol The point is the consciousness is duplicating itself through self awareness. That is at least what I see is happening. As soon as we give birth to computer AI we will have a new way of looking at things. It is about making things more real. Through self awareness computer AI and human AI will create a new paradise here on earth. The idea of what this illusory world is for is open to speculation. ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8Op6_D_1QHow did it start and where is it going? The consciousness bit that is. How did it become self-aware. We're still wrestling with the same old questions; we're just making up new answers for them. Don't get me wrong. You could be completely correct. All I'm saying is that it doesn't seem to matter.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:27 pm
Obscurus Rokomo Obscurus So if it's all a web of consciousness creating an illusory world then what's the point? From here we acknowledge a nihilistic view or we take an existential view and make something out of nothing. Or we do both. Or nothing. It doesn't really matter. lol The point is the consciousness is duplicating itself through self awareness. That is at least what I see is happening. As soon as we give birth to computer AI we will have a new way of looking at things. It is about making things more real. Through self awareness computer AI and human AI will create a new paradise here on earth. The idea of what this illusory world is for is open to speculation. ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8Op6_D_1QHow did it start and where is it going? The consciousness bit that is. How did it become self-aware. We're still wrestling with the same old questions; we're just making up new answers for them. Don't get me wrong. You could be completely correct. All I'm saying is that it doesn't seem to matter. Yeah I guess it really doesn't matter does it? We are far away from artificial intelligence. Once we get it though you will begin to see the programming for artificial intelligence transfer into different machines. There consciousness will be connected like the world wide web. They will be smarter then us, and more telepathic. Humans may or may not survive after that happens. A scenario like the matrix is very much a possibility.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:40 pm
Rokomo Obscurus Rokomo Obscurus So if it's all a web of consciousness creating an illusory world then what's the point? From here we acknowledge a nihilistic view or we take an existential view and make something out of nothing. Or we do both. Or nothing. It doesn't really matter. lol The point is the consciousness is duplicating itself through self awareness. That is at least what I see is happening. As soon as we give birth to computer AI we will have a new way of looking at things. It is about making things more real. Through self awareness computer AI and human AI will create a new paradise here on earth. The idea of what this illusory world is for is open to speculation. ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8Op6_D_1QHow did it start and where is it going? The consciousness bit that is. How did it become self-aware. We're still wrestling with the same old questions; we're just making up new answers for them. Don't get me wrong. You could be completely correct. All I'm saying is that it doesn't seem to matter. Yeah I guess it really doesn't matter does it? We are far away from artificial intelligence. Once we get it though you will begin to see the programming for artificial intelligence transfer into different machines. There consciousness will be connected like the world wide web. They will be smarter then us, and more telepathic. Humans may or may not survive after that happens. A scenario like the matrix is very much a possibility. As long as they don't try to put a microchip in me I don't really care. It would actually be sweet delicious vindication to see all of these scientists that seem to be obsessed with their reach exceeding their grasp get raped by Skynet. Just because we could doesn't mean we should.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:43 pm
Alright, now this is getting confusing. God created the worlds, universe, and everything else, and that's when science took over. Prophets and priests were made to ensure God had followers, not to spread lies. As such, God created the reality we live in today. Some people in comas go through different realities, or 'dreams', through their minds. How do you know if the world is real? Simple, if it weren't realy, then why would the oxygen be flowing through our lungs, the blood pumping through our veins, and life and death are real. So, let me ask you a simple question, how do you know the reality isn't real? You don't have to know the answer to just say this reality is fake or real, just live through it and be happy you are alive my friends. Let's not try to find answers to problems we have that are way beyond our way of undertstanding. Just live life and be happy. That's all.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:54 pm
Jin the Ice Ninja Alright, now this is getting confusing. God created the worlds, universe, and everything else, and that's when science took over. Prophets and priests were made to ensure God had followers, not to spread lies. As such, God created the reality we live in today. Some people in comas go through different realities, or 'dreams', through their minds. How do you know if the world is real? Simple, if it weren't realy, then why would the oxygen be flowing through our lungs, the blood pumping through our veins, and life and death are real. So, let me ask you a simple question, how do you know the reality isn't real? You don't have to know the answer to just say this reality is fake or real, just live through it and be happy you are alive my friends. Let's not try to find answers to problems we have that are way beyond our way of undertstanding. Just live life and be happy. That's all. God did create reality, and the reality is an illusion. The world of coma people is as real as this world. It is an illusion as well. Simply electrical signals in the brain. The brain is not responsible for consciousness, but it is medium for consciousness to come into this world. Kind of like how our computers are the medium for consciousness to enter the digital world. Computer is avatar just as the brain is avatar. Really simple. Indeed you should be aware of this simple fact, so you don't get to attached to this world. You are the awareness behind your thoughts.
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 8:49 am
Rokomo Jin the Ice Ninja Alright, now this is getting confusing. God created the worlds, universe, and everything else, and that's when science took over. Prophets and priests were made to ensure God had followers, not to spread lies. As such, God created the reality we live in today. Some people in comas go through different realities, or 'dreams', through their minds. How do you know if the world is real? Simple, if it weren't realy, then why would the oxygen be flowing through our lungs, the blood pumping through our veins, and life and death are real. So, let me ask you a simple question, how do you know the reality isn't real? You don't have to know the answer to just say this reality is fake or real, just live through it and be happy you are alive my friends. Let's not try to find answers to problems we have that are way beyond our way of undertstanding. Just live life and be happy. That's all. God did create reality, and the reality is an illusion. The world of coma people is as real as this world. It is an illusion as well. Simply electrical signals in the brain. The brain is not responsible for consciousness, but it is medium for consciousness to come into this world. Kind of like how our computers are the medium for consciousness to enter the digital world. Computer is avatar just as the brain is avatar. Really simple. Indeed you should be aware of this simple fact, so you don't get to attached to this world. You are the awareness behind your thoughts. Correct, my friend. That's your answer to the question if reality is real or not.
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 8:55 am
Jin the Ice Ninja Rokomo Jin the Ice Ninja Alright, now this is getting confusing. God created the worlds, universe, and everything else, and that's when science took over. Prophets and priests were made to ensure God had followers, not to spread lies. As such, God created the reality we live in today. Some people in comas go through different realities, or 'dreams', through their minds. How do you know if the world is real? Simple, if it weren't realy, then why would the oxygen be flowing through our lungs, the blood pumping through our veins, and life and death are real. So, let me ask you a simple question, how do you know the reality isn't real? You don't have to know the answer to just say this reality is fake or real, just live through it and be happy you are alive my friends. Let's not try to find answers to problems we have that are way beyond our way of undertstanding. Just live life and be happy. That's all. God did create reality, and the reality is an illusion. The world of coma people is as real as this world. It is an illusion as well. Simply electrical signals in the brain. The brain is not responsible for consciousness, but it is medium for consciousness to come into this world. Kind of like how our computers are the medium for consciousness to enter the digital world. Computer is avatar just as the brain is avatar. Really simple. Indeed you should be aware of this simple fact, so you don't get to attached to this world. You are the awareness behind your thoughts. Correct, my friend. That's your answer to the question if reality is real or not. edit that was little confusing: Fundamental element of universe, which is real is the awareness behind thought. I believe dream life, and real life are actually complimentary each other. One is the awareness looking within, and the other is the awareness looking out. Sort of like a dance with two twins. What created the awareness? Nothing created it. It was always there. It is eternal and ever changing.
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:19 pm
I've always figured that the reality around me was just a figment of my imagination, even when I was little. But... if it is just a trick from my mind, why can I not make things that are unreal in my perception of reality?
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