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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:27 pm


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Something that I have noticed.

A lot of your pro gay marriage peeps will use Leviticus to prove the fact that we are just picking and choosing what we want to follow.
Like they will point out that... "you eat pork when you aren't suppose too" " you wear mixed fabrics like polyester and you aren't suppose too" you "shave your legs and stuff and thats against the rules" stuff like that.

Thay are pretty much saying that we are treating that book like a buffet table we pick what we want and ignore the rest.

Do we really do this?
Are they right when they say that we are pretty much cherry picking?
Does this make us noting more than a bunch of hypocrites?

I'm kinda confused on this.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:40 pm


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Something that I have noticed.

A lot of your pro gay marriage peeps will use Leviticus to prove the fact that we are just picking and choosing what we want to follow.
Like they will point out that... "you eat pork when you aren't suppose too" " you wear mixed fabrics like polyester and you aren't suppose too" you "shave your legs and stuff and thats against the rules" stuff like that.

Thay are pretty much saying that we are treating that book like a buffet table we pick what we want and ignore the rest.

Do we really do this?
Are they right when they say that we are pretty much cherry picking?
Does this make us noting more than a bunch of hypocrites?

I'm kinda confused on this.

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There is a mistake in the Christian community that assumes we, as Christians, are bound to the laws of the Old Testament. This is simply not true, we are bound by agape. Love God first, and love your neighbors as yourself.

It is not our duty to enforce rules on others. It is our duty to love others. Anything else is a perversion.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:18 am


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Something that I have noticed.

A lot of your pro gay marriage peeps will use Leviticus to prove the fact that we are just picking and choosing what we want to follow.
Like they will point out that... "you eat pork when you aren't suppose too" " you wear mixed fabrics like polyester and you aren't suppose too" you "shave your legs and stuff and thats against the rules" stuff like that.

Thay are pretty much saying that we are treating that book like a buffet table we pick what we want and ignore the rest.

Do we really do this?
Are they right when they say that we are pretty much cherry picking?
Does this make us noting more than a bunch of hypocrites?

I'm kinda confused on this.

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I don't think all Christians do that sort of thing, so I guess only the individual Christian can answer that. Do you use Leviticus as an argument for why gay people shouldn't legally be allowed to marry?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:49 am


Frankly, I think everyone does at least some degree of "cherry-picking." It's just part of the human condition.

We're all going to approach scripture (or anything else, for that matter) from different points of view that are coloured by our upbringing, our culture, our various life experiences. We're much more likely to latch onto things that we can relate to, things that we feel apply to us personally, and things that justify our world views, and we're much more likely to dismiss things that we feel are less relevant to us personally.

Is it hypocritical to use Leviticus as an argument against same-sex marriage and/or relationships while ignoring the rest of it? Absolutely. Is it unusual? Not at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:31 am


If you're going to be quoting Leviticus as an argument against same-sex marriage, then it would be hypocritical not to follow all of the laws laid down in Leviticus. Which aren't even required for Christians anyway. So yeah. I'll use it if someone's trying to use it as a legitimate argument as to why Christians shouldn't support marriage equality.

Leviticus isn't really the primary Bible verse being trotted out by anti equal marriage people anymore. Now it's more "we need to stick to traditional Biblical marriage of one man and one woman", which sounds an awful lot to me like people need to read their Bible more. Anyway.

When we read the Bible, our vision is tinted with the lens of our experience. We humans have a habit of gleaning what it is we want and ignoring the rest. Not exempting myself from this practice. I'm sure I do it too. It's human. But it's also pretty divisive.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:15 am


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If you're going to be quoting Leviticus as an argument against same-sex marriage, then it would be hypocritical not to follow all of the laws laid down in Leviticus. Which aren't even required for Christians anyway. So yeah. I'll use it if someone's trying to use it as a legitimate argument as to why Christians shouldn't support marriage equality.

Leviticus isn't really the primary Bible verse being trotted out by anti equal marriage people anymore. Now it's more "we need to stick to traditional Biblical marriage of one man and one woman", which sounds an awful lot to me like people need to read their Bible more. Anyway.

When we read the Bible, our vision is tinted with the lens of our experience. We humans have a habit of gleaning what it is we want and ignoring the rest. Not exempting myself from this practice. I'm sure I do it too. It's human. But it's also pretty divisive.
This is what I was trying to say, only far better-worded.

Personally, I feel that what's much more important than taking every word of the Bible literally (and out of historical context) and trying to live your life sola scriptura, is loving and cultivating a personal relationship with God, and acting out of empathy and compassion towards all other human beings. I'm sure there's a lot of people who would disagree with that statement, and that's fine, but personally, I'd rather live my life simply letting my love for God and my empathy towards my fellow man be the driving force dictating my behaviour that just adhering to a rigid set of moral guidelines that haven't changed in 2000 years.

I'm not saying I don't think scripture is important, just that I don't think the Bible is a literal handbook on how to live your life in modern society. Especially because even people who do claim to live sola scriptura...really don't. Like everyone else, they pick out what they like and discard what they don't. So I'd rather just bypass that hypocrisy all together.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:20 am


False Dichotomy
There is a mistake in the Christian community that assumes we, as Christians, are bound to the laws of the Old Testament. This is simply not true, we are bound by agape. Love God first, and love your neighbors as yourself.

It is not our duty to enforce rules on others. It is our duty to love others. Anything else is a perversion.
I agree with this whole heartedly. Jesus died and rose again so the new covenant could begin. Jesus laid out the things we should really be concerned about. A gay couple being married wasn't one of them. If someone eats ham (quite delicious, I may add.) If someone is wearing cotton or whatever. The fact is this. You are human. You are jacked up just like everyone else. Work on yourself before trying to call out someone else.
PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:33 am



1. Taking passages out of context is dangerous, and done by both Christians and non-Christians alike. Christians do it to prove their point (something doctrinal or dogmatic), and non-Christians do it to prove their point (smearing God's name).
2. Why use Leviticus when there are New Testament passages that talk about the same thing? If everyone has such a beef with the Old Testament, use the New Testament.
3. False Dichotomy brought up a very good point. Paul talks about how it is our place to judge only those inside the Church, while God judges those outside. (1 Cor. 5:12-13)

We must strive not to pick and choose passages. As I said, this is dangerous, and it is dangerous because it involves taking passages out of context and usually placing a flawed, human interpretation upon Scripture.

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 11:53 am


Unless the stance changed from Old Testament to New Testament, what's the trouble?
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