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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:33 pm

"The people who get married but want no children are sinning. They are rejecting God's design of marriage and what is often called the First Great Commission - Be fruitful and multiply; have dominion over the earth, etc. Those who are infertile have committed no sin by marrying, but are suffering from the corruption of the whole creation. I imagine infertile parents desperately want children and are feeling their helplessness in a fallen world. We should not define marriage according to the brokenness of creation or the exceptions, but according to God's ordering of his creation since the beginning of time. "

I have never heard of the notion that choosing to not have children in marriage is a sin. I think this is ridiculous. Has anyone heard this? What do you think? What are your scriptural views on this notion?

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:59 am

well some do not want children. and some cannot have children...

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:36 am

I don't know, and I am unable to find any scripture that says this is a sin. There is a verse about God striking a man dead for pulling out. but other than that, I see nothing to indicate that deciding to not have children is a sin.

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:40 am

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I don't know, and I am unable to find any scripture that says this is a sin. There is a verse about God striking a man dead for pulling out. but other than that, I see nothing to indicate that deciding to not have children is a sin.

I know what scripture you are talking about.
With that though God commanded him to lay with that woman and make her conceive, he did not obey. I'm not sure if that can go for the rest of humanity because God isn't telling everyone else to lay with so and so and make her conceive. I know that they use that same story for masturbation too.
Interesting.

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:20 am

I think...

times were different back then, we didn't have nearly as many people then as we do in these current times.
Currently we are just now over the one trillion mark of humans on Earth.
Back then we didn't come close so it would make sense that God wanted people to have kids because there was a lack of people back then.

Nowadays if you do not want kids I think God is alright with that just because there is a huge abundance of humans now. And I think God is alright if you want to have kids too.

As long as you don't want to not have kids for the wrong reason like "oh having a baby will ruin my figure" or "I cant party if I have a baby" If you are looking at it at a selfish point of view I can see how it can be classified as a sin.

And as long as you don't want kids just so you can live off of welfare and be lazy, you know just having baby after baby because you get more money from the government if you do so. Because that is selfish and being lazy which are sins.

But if you have legitimate reasons as to why you want or don't want kids then I think you are fine.

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:40 am

One trillion? Are you sure about that? Where are you getting that humongous number?

According to numerous sites that have been updated for 2012, the world population is probably around 7.5 billion, no where near one trillion.

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:56 am

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One trillion? Are you sure about that? Where are you getting that humongous number?

According to numerous sites that have been updated for 2012, the world population is probably around 7.5 billion, no where near one trillion.

Saw it quoted on a Christian debate site.
Still though 7.5 Billion or one trillion.
that is still a HUGE number of people.
way more then back then.

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:34 pm

Well, one trillion is an incredibly larger amount compared to 7.5 billion (I can't even imagine what earth would look like with one trillion people roaming it), and from the statistics I've seen from the official global census, the person you quoted is incredibly wrong. x3 Maybe they were exaggerating a point or something. I don't know.

Anyway... it was just something that caught my eye. ♥

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:39 pm

There are multiple Scriptures that suggest the opposite, actually. That a man and woman are married to become one flesh. It's not a sin if they choose not to have children. Man and woman are supposed to come together, breaking off from that only if they agree to it and only for a short while. Paul explained this in one of his letters (1 Corinthians I believe). Sex is of course for procreation. But it is also an intimate thing between a husband and wife. God made it to be that way.

And there's nothing wrong with sexual desire either, provided it is for your wife. Delight in her breasts always, as Solomon said.

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:45 am

If it's a sin not to have children then it's a sin for infertile people to get married and have sex. It's silly. I think that if God makes a person infertile that means they either shouldn't have children or he's trying to tell us "You know, there's millions of children out there who don't have parents. Maybe instead of selfishly adding to this overly plentiful population you make an orphan the happiest child in the world?" And if adoption isn't possible, then you tried and there's no reason you can't still be happy.
I never want children. I hate them. I hate them so much. emotion_donotwant I told my fiance we'll compromise by adopting a child old enough we won't have to house train and can pass it off at school. I wanna enjoy my early twenties and don't want that creeping thought 'I'm eventually going to be stuck at home all day catering to some ugly noisy helpless thing I don't want while possibly suffering from postpartum depression.' At least if we adopt I can still go to work and it can partially take care of itself. God put no maternal instinct in me. I'd jump in front of a bus for a dog but would probably yell at a kid to get out of the way. Some people are like that so maybe they shouldn't be obligated into having children.

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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:07 am

I think it would be irresponsible for parents to conceive children out of a sense of obligation, rather than a desire to provide a happy, healthy, loving existence for a child for their entire life.

Even Catholicism, with its infamously large families and hatred of contraception, doesn't dissallow the marriage of infertile couples and allows married couples to use Natural Family Planning if they wish to avoid conception.

On the one hand, children born into Christian families are more likely to grow into Christian adults, and the family unit is very celebrated in Christian theology. I think that those who can and want to cultivate a happy, healthy family are very much encouraged to do so, but having children is by no means a requirement of married life.

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