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Sanguina Cruenta
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:04 pm


I have written sort of a thing for my blog about identifying as a reconstructionist and I was wondering how many people identified as "reconstructionist", or whether you use terms like "revivalist" or "reconstructionist derived".

I'm sort of prodding at the boundaries of this term and wondering, you know, how far it stretches as per what people do and how they do it vs how people think about their religious practices. If that makes sense. So um.... weigh in.

For those unfamiliar, reconstructionism is a methodology of building a religion in which one attempts to reconstruct or revive pre-Christian Pagan beliefs and practices associated with a particular culture. (And by "pre-Christian" I mean more "pre-Conversion".)

In a sense I think I'm more on the "liberal" side of Heathenry, but sometimes when I look at what this kindred does or that group believes, I feel like a staunch recon. Not that they shouldn't add to the old stuff to build their religions, I just see things like the NNV or whatever becoming modern traditions, and kind of... muddying the water? and I'd rather do it myself. Like, reconstruct it myself with help from other people's work, rather than adopt a pre-reconstructed version, you know? In that sense, sometimes I feel a lot more like a reconstructionist than like the AFA or whatever.

Thoughts?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:24 pm


I can't answer your poll!! gonk
Basically, I have a lot of the same difficulties as you San. Sometimes I have a response to something that surprises even me, that comes from my path and my studies, and sometimes other people make me feel like a hardcore recon in comparison, but I generally think of myself as fairly liberal, as you say, as a Heathen. I've toyed with the term revivalist but can never remember it when I try to use it. Arg! Why can't it be simple!

CalledTheRaven
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too2sweet
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Tipsy Fairy

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:07 pm


In whatever I'm practicing, I like to stick to available lore (or traditions) whenever possible, but I'm not adverse to UPG or doing something slightly different if it feels right to do so. I do recognize that things can't be exactly the same though, as we have to accommodate how things are currently in the modern world.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:59 pm


I think there's a correlation, or a perceived correlation, between "conservatism" and reconstruction, and I'm beginning to think that's crap. That it's more different modern traditions that people tend to align with than anything else. Because I mean I don't think the AFA are more "reconstructionist" than the Troth, even though they think they are and sneer.

Sanguina Cruenta
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CalledTheRaven
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:45 am


too2sweet
In whatever I'm practicing, I like to stick to available lore (or traditions) whenever possible, but I'm not adverse to UPG or doing something slightly different if it feels right to do so. I do recognize that things can't be exactly the same though, as we have to accommodate how things are currently in the modern world.
Exactly sweet. I want to make my faith valid and meaningful in a modern context. I can't just take up all the old practices wholesale outside of their original context and understanding.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:14 pm


Sanguina Cruenta
I have written sort of a thing for my blog about identifying as a reconstructionist and I was wondering how many people identified as "reconstructionist", or whether you use terms like "revivalist" or "reconstructionist derived".

I'm sort of prodding at the boundaries of this term and wondering, you know, how far it stretches as per what people do and how they do it vs how people think about their religious practices. If that makes sense. So um.... weigh in.

For those unfamiliar, reconstructionism is a methodology of building a religion in which one attempts to reconstruct or revive pre-Christian Pagan beliefs and practices associated with a particular culture. (And by "pre-Christian" I mean more "pre-Conversion".)

In a sense I think I'm more on the "liberal" side of Heathenry, but sometimes when I look at what this kindred does or that group believes, I feel like a staunch recon. Not that they shouldn't add to the old stuff to build their religions, I just see things like the NNV or whatever becoming modern traditions, and kind of... muddying the water? and I'd rather do it myself. Like, reconstruct it myself with help from other people's work, rather than adopt a pre-reconstructed version, you know? In that sense, sometimes I feel a lot more like a reconstructionist than like the AFA or whatever.

Thoughts?


I considered reconstructionism as a path about a decade ago. In the end I found myself unable to embrace it for many reasons.

The rigidity of the traditionalists left me feeling as if it was a path for 'armchair' Pagans. Lots and lots of books and lore and theories from both archaeology and anthropology, but no spontaneity, no real sense of having a connection to the world I lived in. Many of the 'hard recons' didn't actually practice at all, which I found odd, and then annoying - don't tell me I'm doing something wrong, when you're not doing at all...

There was definitely no sense of a community to join; there were many factions, who often argued bitterly and derisively against each other. You sort of flailed along and gleaned what you could from others - but carefully, lest you suddenly ended up in the vitriol. Talking to one person about something would easily make you persona non grata with someone else. And there was no welcome for newbies, no attempt to try to help them ease into something. Most of the time there was a strong current of 'You're clearly not serious or hard enough for this, go dabble elsewhere' which did a lot to drive people away.

Buried under the weight of the 'homework' one did to understand holidays and ritual practice, then deciding what ritual practice was practical for you and how you did it, planning...it left me cold. I love to research, I'm insatiably curious and I have a university-level education in history. Getting into the meat of the subjects at hand was not the issue. It was simply this: Rituals were not fun. They were joyless and dry and took forever. And after a while I decided for me that I personally didn't need joyless and dry but historically correct practice. I wasn't connecting with my Gods that way.

When a few folks insinuated that I wasn't getting 'joy' out of my rites because perhaps I wasn't understanding the materials, that perhaps I was too stupid and should go back to something 'basic', I decided reconstructionism could eat its' own arse.

My recon experience taught me that there's a level of ecstatic experience that I want from ritual. I want the Mysteries. You can't find those in texts. I need both intellectually satisfying and stimulating practices, and ones that will still produce ecstatic joy from simply being there. I still retain parts of recon-influenced practices, and my ritual style when I'm doing my own thing probably owes more to those practices than to ENP or Wicca. What I do now can have a foot in both worlds - past and present - and is perfectly relevant to who I am and where I am.

There seems to be two camps of recons. 'Hard recons' seem to be heaviest on the 'homework', not fans of UPG or adaptation to modern context, and really really harsh on seekers. They don't really seem to have interest in being numerous, since that cuts into their ability to been seen as superior intellectuals. Attacking other, 'softer' approaches to their gods or religion seems to be a standard practice for some as well - they really want to be the only game in town. There's a "We're right, and you're wrong" thing going on.

'Soft recons' tend to be a little more flexible about adaptation (as it only makes sense to reconstruct things for the world we live in, rather than the world that's past us), more UPG-friendly, and not as apt to try to chase newbies off their front porch with a stick. There's room for debate about interpretations of lore with 'soft' recons.

Of course some people fall between the two. And it's all relative: a 'soft' recon might look 'hard' to a non-recon who's never met one before.

Morgandria
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Sanguina Cruenta
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Eloquent Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:58 pm


The idea that being genuinely "hard recon" means you never incorporate any UPG seems really false to me, because it discounts anything the palaeo-Pagans would have experienced as individuals. It's saying of the things they're trying to reconstruct "this never grew, this never changed, this was never experienced by individuals" which frankly we know is false. So it's a paradox; you can't be a hard reconstructionist and totally ignore UPG and personal spiritual experience because that's failing to reconstruct - and outright ignoring - an element of the religion which did exist then and which should exist now if you want your religion to be a living religion, not just a dead and dusty re-enactment.

It's a problem with a subset of people who identify as reconstructionist, and particularly the groups that do personally identify as "hard recons", not with reconstructionism as a methodology. And it is a major problem on a community level.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:21 pm


I'm a Recon but I don't know how I fall in the lines of "hard" vs "soft". I don't really bother all that much to figure it out anyways. I practice the rituals how they are supposed to be practiced..but in a modern context and I celebrate the main holidays because damn...they sure had a lot of holidays! I'm realistic about it all. If I can't preform a ritual in the time that it is needed in the morning then I will do it at night, but I will not starve myself until it is done because my job is physically demanding. Realistic. And of course sacrificing is out of the question. So really, hard Recons can't follow it by the book either.
I try to do it as closely as the ancients did, but I am not hard on myself if I can't and I make sure that I do it in a way that is spiritually pleasing to myself. Cause as already said, if you can't find the joy in the rituals...then why do them at all?

Salmenella

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NECROhtiek

PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:21 am


Sanguina Cruenta
Thoughts?


Due to the very nature of my path, I can't really call myself a strict reconstructionist. Yes, the Norse and Gaelic peoples came into contact with each other. Yes, the two cultures intermingled and gave birth to a Norse-Gaelic hybrid culture. However, at the time this happened, the Gaels had already been Christians for over 400 years. Thus, a Norse-Gaelic heathen practice never historically existed.

However, I feel my path is justifiable from a recon-derived point of view. Although thoroughly Christianized by the time the Norsemen came on the scene, many pre-Christian Gaelic elements survived into that era under a Christian veneer. So, I essentially reconstruct ideas and practices from Gaelic paganism and Norse heathenry separately, and then I combine them in a way that stays true to each culture's stream of thought.
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