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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:48 pm
Name: Epee
Type: Rapier
Description: A long thin lightweight longsword with an intricate hilt and handgaurd. Made to pierce chainmail
Damage: 1 - 6 + str. mod.
Range: Melee
Requirements: Estoqueur Clan or Crafted [Craft (Blacksmith) 41 craft posts 14]
Special:Upon a critical hit causes a bleeding effect.+5 bonus to parrying/blocking
Dual Wield: Yes, -7 to attack roll
Owner: Estoqueur Clan
Name: Fleuret
Type: Rapier
Description: A longer slightly thicker lightweight longsword with an intricate hilt and handgaurd. Made to pierce chainmail.
Damage: 2 - 8 + str. mod.
Range: Melee
Requirements: Estoqueur Clan or Crafted Crafted [Craft (Blacksmith) 41 craft posts 14]
Special:Upon a critical hit causes a bleeding effect. +5 bonus to parrying/blocking
Dual Wield: Yes, -7 to attack roll.
Owner: Estoqueur Clan
Name: Mail Breaker
Type: Rapier
Description: A rather larger but still thin and lightweight longsword.Specialized for breaking heavy armor it is the perfect weapon for the fencer targeting something with more of a tough skin.
Damage: 1-10 + Str mod
Range: Melee
Requirements: Estoqueur Clan or Crafted [Craft (Blacksmith) 48 craft posts 16]
Special:Upon a critical hit causes a bleeding effect.
Owner: Estoqueur Clan
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:21 pm
I don't like seeing things that seem like reactions to other clans ... And this screams that.
What is your beef with the Knight clan El? All of these weapons are primarily aimed at them.
Next, why is a rapier doing as much damage as a Nodachi?
A rapier, a piercing weapon that leaves small wounds is doing as much as an oversized katana designed to cleave men in half from horseback ... I doubt that.
In d20, rapiers do 1-6+str mod. So stick with that for the epee.
The next can be a 2-8 and since it has a guard, a +1 to DB maybe.
The third, as my knowledge of weapons brings nothing to mind, and google retrieves a sword from a video game ... I ask for a better idea of what this blade looks like.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:47 pm
PupSage I don't like seeing things that seem like reactions to other clans ... And this screams that. What is your beef with the Knight clan El? All of these weapons are primarily aimed at them. Next, why is a rapier doing as much damage as a Nodachi? A rapier, a piercing weapon that leaves small wounds is doing as much as an oversized katana designed to cleave men in half from horseback ... I doubt that. In d20, rapiers do 1-6+str mod. So stick with that for the epee. The next can be a 2-8 and since it has a guard, a +1 to DB maybe. The third, as my knowledge of weapons brings nothing to mind, and google retrieves a sword from a video game ... I ask for a better idea of what this blade looks like. Its not aimed directly at the Knight clan...They are Rapiers...they where made for piercing through chainmail and weak points in heavier armor. I honestly didn't know which weapon to compare standard rapiers to..so i just went with whats in the system already....glad we have approval forums now dont we? A mailbreaker is simply a heavier rapier with a fancy name...about the size of a b*****d sword really :< The type of swords Fencer's that deal in heavier blades use. The Epee being the lowest weight sword and the Fleuret being slightly heavier. sort of thisabouts:  I will adjust the damage accordingly and add the guard system stuff in.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:17 am
ellreka PupSage I don't like seeing things that seem like reactions to other clans ... And this screams that. What is your beef with the Knight clan El? All of these weapons are primarily aimed at them. Next, why is a rapier doing as much damage as a Nodachi? A rapier, a piercing weapon that leaves small wounds is doing as much as an oversized katana designed to cleave men in half from horseback ... I doubt that. In d20, rapiers do 1-6+str mod. So stick with that for the epee. The next can be a 2-8 and since it has a guard, a +1 to DB maybe. The third, as my knowledge of weapons brings nothing to mind, and google retrieves a sword from a video game ... I ask for a better idea of what this blade looks like. Its not aimed directly at the Knight clan...They are Rapiers...they where made for piercing through chainmail and weak points in heavier armor. I honestly didn't know which weapon to compare standard rapiers to..so i just went with whats in the system already....glad we have approval forums now dont we? A mailbreaker is simply a heavier rapier with a fancy name...about the size of a b*****d sword really :< The type of swords Fencer's that deal in heavier blades use. The Epee being the lowest weight sword and the Fleuret being slightly heavier. sort of thisabouts: I will adjust the damage accordingly and add the guard system stuff in. b*****d swords do 1-10 dmg, so go with like 3-10 + 1.5 str if wielded 2 handed. A b*****d sword, much like the katana, can be wielded 1 or 2 handed.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:21 am
changed
also removed the random "will deal full damage" effect
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:41 am
If they are made to pierce armour then on the off chance that someone with a rapier fights someone wearing (metal)armour the AC should halved or discounted right?
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kouri-chan_xx Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:59 am
kouri-chan_xx If they are made to pierce armour then on the off chance that someone with a rapier fights someone wearing (metal)armour the AC should halved or discounted right? I dont know what you're asking ^_^'
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:25 am
I was browsing around the other day and I just happened to see that the Knight clan has armour which grants AC (Armor Class) bonus to their dodge bonus. It basically is the measure of how protective the armour is in a sense? So there's less likelihood of sustaining damage.
Now, if this weapon is effective against armour, I'm just saying that shouldn't that AC suffer some sort of penalty. Just a random thought that occurred to me ^^;
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kouri-chan_xx Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:58 am
kouri-chan_xx I was browsing around the other day and I just happened to see that the Knight clan has armour which grants AC (Armor Class) bonus to their dodge bonus. It basically is the measure of how protective the armour is in a sense? So there's less likelihood of sustaining damage. Now, if this weapon is effective against armour, I'm just saying that shouldn't that AC suffer some sort of penalty. Just a random thought that occurred to me ^^; I had that but i dont know how to apply that without it looking like its "targeting" the knight clan gonk I also write myself into pitfalls when i do descriptions... :<
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:21 am
I know what you mean. It was just a thought. ^^; ANBU have armour too if they choose to wear it but it's kind of not that helpful against normal swords anyway. But that could probably get the AC penalty as well for the rapier if we're generalising this weapon.
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kouri-chan_xx Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:23 am
kouri-chan_xx I know what you mean. It was just a thought. ^^; ANBU have armour too if they choose to wear it but it's kind of not that helpful against normal swords anyway. But that could probably get the AC penalty as well for the rapier if we're generalising this weapon. The epee/Flueret are meant to pierce through light/medium armors while the Mail Breaker is meant to bust up heavy armors :< so yea :< I just need to know how to word that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:12 am
My thing about all of that is this.
Rapiers in general are made to pierce through chainmail, linkmail, or ringmail of sorts. And while it seems appropriate for those types of armor to be less effective (but not totally ineffective) they would not be able to have any effect against plated armor, which is what the ANBU wear in cannon.
Unfortunately for you, the era that a lot of Naruto stuff comes from is when mail armor was phasing out. Maybe the occasional samurai, or the knight clan still use them, but outside of that, you are unlikely to find a person in chainmail.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:26 am
PupSage My thing about all of that is this. Rapiers in general are made to pierce through chainmail, linkmail, or ringmail of sorts. And while it seems appropriate for those types of armor to be less effective (but not totally ineffective) they would not be able to have any effect against plated armor, which is what the ANBU wear in cannon. Unfortunately for you, the era that a lot of Naruto stuff comes from is when mail armor was phasing out. Maybe the occasional samurai, or the knight clan still use them, but outside of that, you are unlikely to find a person in chainmail. yup, which would also mean the rise of piercing weaponry as well :< But from the point of the Estoqueur these are the clans weapons. As far as clan "history" would go they come from a place where this weaponry was used long ago :< The mail breaker honestly isn't aimed at anything im just making the three types of rapiers present for the guild. Anyone can use these if they have the craft skill to make them.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:11 pm
Honestly I don't see anything wrong with getting this passed.
Maybe instead of having them be able to pierce armor since no one wears it aside from the Knight clan and other rare occasions, maybe give them a wider critical range? After all, the whole point of a rapier is a Surface Area(SA) power multiplier through piercing instead of slashing.
So instead of a crit being just a Nat 20, its a 19-20. I honestly think that would be perfectly acceptable, would love to hear other peoples opinions on this.
Edit: I can whip up some science in this heeZy if anyone wants to see why rapiers are so good at busting through armor/padding/skin/vital organs.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:17 pm
I wouldn't want to make a special exception to the critical hit rule just for these weapons or other weapons designed for piercing. But i could eliminate the armor mention in the description seeing as how that seems to be hanging people up. The only of the three i intended to be specifically meant for bypassing armor or "tough skin" (harder to pierce armament type deals) was the mailbreaker as it was the bigger rapier that could pierce through heavier armaments and that would be what it was meant to do. I realize only the knight clan is armor dependant but there could be other instances down the line where an Estoqueur or anyone else per se might need a heavier piercing sword.y'know?
Either way, its an interesting idea.
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