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 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:48 am
It came up on another thread recently that people were irritated with facebook for only listing 2 genders to identify as and 3 options for romantic interests (men, women, and men and women), so people who were, for example, intersex, pansexual, asexual, etc, are being disenfranchised. I would like to urge people who feel it is not right to limit us to a narrow-minded misconception of there being only 2 genders to give feedback to facebook, through the help page, about this inequality, especially because some misinformed people believe there is no way to give feedback.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:02 pm
Well most of the population on this world are either Male or Female. Facebook users can simply not choose either or and then post it on there wall.. HEY ALL Im transgender and proud! The same with sexual orientation. Its not that Facebook is narrow minded, they just didn't think of that option when creating Facebook! They thought they were covering everything is my point, its not Facebooks fault. These angry people need to just chill out, facebook isnt promoting inequality or discriminating!
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:16 pm
Damluxuria Its not that Facebook is narrow minded, they just didn't think of that option when creating Facebook! They thought they were covering everything is my point, its not Facebooks fault. These angry people need to just chill out, facebook isnt promoting inequality or discriminating! When people tell them there is a problem and they ignore it- they further Hetero-Cis privilege though. cat_3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:34 pm
Esiris Damluxuria Its not that Facebook is narrow minded, they just didn't think of that option when creating Facebook! They thought they were covering everything is my point, its not Facebooks fault. These angry people need to just chill out, facebook isnt promoting inequality or discriminating! When people tell them there is a problem and they ignore it- they further Hetero-Cis privilege though. cat_3nodding Its a massive website, it might take months to process a complaint that you sent in.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:11 pm
Damluxuria Its a massive website, it might take months to process a complaint that you sent in. That's why they have the huge staff they do. cat_3nodding I think the point is once it is brought to their attention- if they continue it then they are being narrow minded and reinforcing Cisgendered privilege
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:18 pm
Esiris Damluxuria Its a massive website, it might take months to process a complaint that you sent in. That's why they have the huge staff they do. cat_3nodding I think the point is once it is brought to their attention- if they continue it then they are being narrow minded and reinforcing Cisgendered privilege Yeah well I have one arm and im an amputee, and facebook doesnt have that as an option, they are so narrow minded. They have bigger things to worry about, they probably dont know its even happening since I didnt know anything about this until I came upon this small thread. Is it even really a privledge? Like I said before It may not of been an option you can click on but, anyone.. ANYONE can post on their profile/wall/etc I am this gender I am attracted to this and that etc.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:29 pm
Damluxuria Yeah well I have one arm and im an amputee, and facebook doesnt have that as an option Since they provide a gender identity as an option, then including everyone and not exclude people, and that is different than not having an option that addresses ability/disability. This is why it is important- if I make something that is meant for everyone to use but it asks people to identify themselves a certain way- I need to represent everyone and not force people to pick things that aren't true for them because I'm thinking like someone who doesn't have to deal with what they go through. That's different than not asking someone to identify that way for me at all- either way. In that case, everyone is being treated as equal because no one is being asked to identify as an amputee, intact or otherwise, but joining FB forces me to misrepresent myself- and that's not ok. Quote: They have bigger things to worry about, they probably dont know its even happening since I didnt know anything about this until I came upon this small thread. I think ethics are important things to worry about- and equality is part of ethics, even for a business. Quote: Is it even really a privledge? Yes- it is. But Privilege and Social Justice are big concepts- so here's a checklist on Cis-privilege. I hope that will help explain the difference between what people mean when they say privilege (like it's a privilege to get dessert after dinner) and Privilege when it comes to Equality and Social Justice. Quote: Like I said before It may not of been an option you can click on but, anyone.. ANYONE can post on their profile/wall/etc I am this gender I am attracted to this and that etc. Posting on your wall doesn't keep the information in the same way that your gender is recorded- so it's not equal and it is privileged to force people to conform to Cis-expectations at the cost of their right to identify as who they are in the same way you do.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:41 pm
Esiris Damluxuria Yeah well I have one arm and im an amputee, and facebook doesnt have that as an option Since they provide a gender identity as an option, then including everyone and not exclude people, and that is different than not having an option that addresses ability/disability. This is why it is important- if I make something that is meant for everyone to use but it asks people to identify themselves a certain way- I need to represent everyone and not force people to pick things that aren't true for them because I'm thinking like someone who doesn't have to deal with what they go through. That's different than not asking someone to identify that way for me at all- either way. In that case, everyone is being treated as equal because no one is being asked to identify as an amputee, intact or otherwise, but joining FB forces me to misrepresent myself- and that's not ok. Quote: They have bigger things to worry about, they probably dont know its even happening since I didnt know anything about this until I came upon this small thread. I think ethics are important things to worry about- and equality is part of ethics, even for a business. Of course ethics are important, but there isnt any ethic related problem on facebook. You just dont get that. You are upset over a missing feature on Facebook. I dont even think gaia has that feature, its either pick a male or female avatar. [Removed by GGSA Crew] I wish you would stop using that word, Ive had it with all these name asexual pansexual, whats with all the labels! Nothings wrong with Facebook or gaia, nobodys rights are being violated. Im sorry that .1% of Facebook users are not satisified.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:50 pm
Damluxuria Of course ethics are important, but there isnt any ethic related problem on facebook. You just dont get that. You are upset over a missing feature on Facebook. I dont even think gaia has that feature, its either pick a male or female avatar. I dislike that Gaia doesn't have it too- and I think I signed a petition to that effect as well. I do consider equal treatment to be part of ethics, and since ethics would say that any reason cannot be arbitrary, then the reason to exclude non-cis identification in FB's programming I deleted the part of your post that was against the Terms of Service because stealing other people's work isn't ok. Quote: I wish you would stop using that word, Ive had it with all these name asexual pansexual, whats with all the labels! Words communicate ideas and when used correctly help people psychologically as I showed in the 5 Genders thread. Quote: Nothings wrong with Facebook or gaia, nobodys rights are being violated. Im sorry that .1% of Facebook users are not satisified. People say the same thing about Gay Rights, about Blacks, Mexicans and Pagans- To quote Martin Luther King Jr.'s Letter From Birmingham Jail: "Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law." Social Justice is beyond the scope of just legal justice though- so that means being able to address social inequality wherever it is, incluing online.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:59 pm
I've read your case and you did have truth there. SOme but I must respectfully disagree with you. If Facebook had to ahve a new gender option for everything we'd have, Male Female transgender male transgender female hermaphedite (spelling sucks I know) and about fifty billion others, which would only get confusing. And if you think of it this way you only *need* two options. If I was say a transgender male and my profile picture was of me in my femenine body I'm still identifying myself as male. Same for the other way around, male body but identifies as a girl. Either way you identefy yourself as what you are, male female, no matter what your is. As for attraction well, still? Male or female again they identify as one or the other. So by saying I like women AND men it means I'm attracted to them regardless of if they're transgenders (Not always the case but again if you needed a new gender for every option there would be SO many to chose from.). As to asexuals (like myself) yeah, you don't HAVE to pick one or the other. You can just leave it blank OR you could be looking more so for an emotional relationship. Attracted not sexually but emotionally, get what I'm saying? And my last comment here, why all the fuss? Facebook looks after the many, not the few. If it were such a big issue there'd be thousands of complaints coming through and it would be changed. Simple as that.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:05 pm
this is why i use my sex, not gender.
plus, i do prefer female pronouns, so it all works out.
but i'm not heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual, so a change would be nice. they could, however, just change it from a "pick one" option to a box where you could type in your gender and sexuality. that way, maybe you could type in what your sexuality and a definition, if people you knew had no clue what it was. plus, you could type in your romantic orientation, too.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:10 pm
SilentVex I've read your case and you did have truth there. SOme but I must respectfully disagree with you. If Facebook had to ahve a new gender option for everything we'd have, Male Female transgender male transgender female hermaphedite (spelling sucks I know) One small problem- hermaphrodite is about sex, and it isn't really used because to my knowledge there is no case of "true Hermaphroditus" in humans. Intersexed is the accurate term. Quote: and about fifty billion others, which would only get confusing. And if you think of it this way you only *need* two options. But if you simply that kind of stuff, then you can say Gay men only need 2 opinions when it comes to marriage- they can marry a woman or they can not get married! Just because something that's right takes more effort, that doesn't mean it's bad or wrong to make that effort. It could be that FB could add a type field the way they do for your school instead of a binary selection box. Problem solved in about 10 minutes of cut-and-paste coding! Ok, well, maybe not really 10 minutes, but the point is it isn't that hard. Quote: If I was say a transgender male and my profile picture was of me in my femenine body I'm still identifying myself as male. Same for the other way around, male body but identifies as a girl. Either way you identefy yourself as what you are, male female, no matter what your is. And that works for binary people- but I'm not binary. Quote: As for attraction well, still? Male or female again they identify as one or the other. So by saying I like women AND men it means I'm attracted to them regardless of if they're transgenders (Not always the case but again if you needed a new gender for every option there would be SO many to chose from.). But unless you're pan-sexual they're not attracted to me, so I'm excluded still. Quote: As to asexuals (like myself) yeah, you don't HAVE to pick one or the other. You can just leave it blank OR you could be looking more so for an emotional relationship. Attracted not sexually but emotionally, get what I'm saying? This could also be solved by adding a type feild. Quote: And my last comment here, why all the fuss? Facebook looks after the many, not the few. So do our marriage laws- but that doesn't make it right. Quote: If it were such a big issue there'd be thousands of complaints coming through and it would be changed. Simple as that. Not always- sometimes people don't feel empowered to try and change things, which is the point of this thread. There were tons of complaints about racism and slavery before the civil war, but we still face Racism today. Things like this just aren't as simple as people like to say they are and it's easy when it's not directly effecting you to say that it's not worth it, but until you're the one who has to lie about who you are, or have someone who is into the wrong gender get pissed off at you for "trapping" them- then it's hard to understand unless people check their cis/binary privilege and decide that I deserve the same right to identify that they do.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:25 pm
Dancehall Hysteria this is why i use my sex, not gender.
plus, i do prefer female pronouns, so it all works out.
but i'm not heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual, so a change would be nice. they could, however, just change it from a "pick one" option to a box where you could type in your gender and sexuality. that way, maybe you could type in what your sexuality and a definition, if people you knew had no clue what it was. plus, you could type in your romantic orientation, too.
That is a great option! I like that.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:27 pm
Esiris Dancehall Hysteria this is why i use my sex, not gender.
plus, i do prefer female pronouns, so it all works out.
but i'm not heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual, so a change would be nice. they could, however, just change it from a "pick one" option to a box where you could type in your gender and sexuality. that way, maybe you could type in what your sexuality and a definition, if people you knew had no clue what it was. plus, you could type in your romantic orientation, too.
That is a great option! I like that. thanks! ^^
edit: i'm pretty much playing "where's waldo" right now. except waldo changed his name to "help page."
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:33 pm
Dancehall Hysteria Esiris Dancehall Hysteria this is why i use my sex, not gender.
plus, i do prefer female pronouns, so it all works out.
but i'm not heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual, so a change would be nice. they could, however, just change it from a "pick one" option to a box where you could type in your gender and sexuality. that way, maybe you could type in what your sexuality and a definition, if people you knew had no clue what it was. plus, you could type in your romantic orientation, too.
That is a great option! I like that. thanks! ^^
edit: i'm pretty much playing "where's waldo" right now. except waldo changed his name to "help page."
It's at the bottom of any of the pages, but if you're on your wall you can't get to the bottom so use something like your profile page. cat_whee
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