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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:31 pm


Ever since we have met Remus and Sirius, there has been various cases of subtexting to our most beloved ship. After the 5th book we were still hopeful--perhaps Remus would be in such a depressed state the only plausible explanation would be a romantic relationship ending in Sirius' demise. Perhaps the veil wasn't really death. Perhaps we'd visit memory lane with Remus for once. Endless possibilities awaited us.

When the 6th book came out though, we were crushed. We all for the most part ignored the new relationship in the book involving our beloved werewolf with explanations of "Hand holding is not a relationship. He was reluctant, he can't return the feelings," and other such things. But the real blow was the completely lack of subtexting--even for a moment. There were no scenes in which Remus fondly remembered Sirius, the Veil became death, and while Remus was very depressed--he was also living with the man who made him a werewolf. I find it hard to believe that any one would be particularly happy in that position.

Finally though, I have found a small amount of sub-text, just enough to satisfy H.M.S. Wolfstar, and to further knock the Wotcher!Wolvie dingy in our path out of the way.

Setting the scene: Harry is trying to get into the Room of Requirement under his cloak. He has just gotten rid of Goyle and is trying to get inside the room where Draco Malfoy is.


Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Hardcover U.S. Edition, Chapter 21 "The Unknowable Room", Pages 465-466
"OUCH!"
He thought he might have broken his toe; as he clutched it and hopped on one foot, the Invisibility Cloak slipped off him.
"Harry?"
He spun around, one-legged, and toppled over. There, to his utter astonishment, was Tonks, walking toward him as though she frequently strolled up this corridor.
"What're you doing here?" he said, scrambling to his feet again; why did she always have to find him lying on the floor?
"I came to see Dumbledore," said Tonks.
Harry thought she looked terrible: thinner than usual, her mouse-colored hair lank.
"His office isn't here," said Harry, "it's round the other side of the castle, behind the gargoyle--"
"I know," said Tonks. "He's not there. Apparently he's gone away again."
"Has he?" said Harry, putting his bruised foot gingerly back on the floor. "Hey--you don't know where he goes, I suppose?"
"No," said Tonks.
"What did you want to see him about?"
"Nothing in particular," said Tonks, picking, apparently unconsciously, at the sleeve of her robe. "I just thought he might know what's going on...I've heard rumors...people getting hurt..."
"Yeah, I know, it's all been in the papers," said Harry. "That little kid trying to kill his--"
"The Prohpet's often behind the times," said Tonks, who didn't seem to be listening to him. "You haven't had any letters from anyone in the Order recently?"
"No one from the Order writes to me anymore," said Harry, "not since Sirius--"
He saw that her eyes had filled with tears.
"I'm sorry," he muttered awkwardly. "I mean...I miss him, as well..."
"What?" said Tonks blankly, as though she had not heard him. "Well...I'll see you around, Harry..."
And she turned abruptly and walked back down the corridor, leaving Harry to stare after her.


One could logically say her mind is completely on Remus, and there is no sub-texting here. But then why does she not tear up until after Harry says that no one has written to him, not since Sirius died at least? Obviously when Harry mentions the latest thing from the Prohpet he's not receiving the same news as the rest of the Order, so he's probably not going to be able to tell her if Remus is alright or not, which is when she could've been tearing up. But it takes until he mentions Sirius for her eyes to fill with tears.

And it's after that point that she just completely disregards him speaking, rather then just letting the words pass in one ear and out the other.

She thinks Remus is hurt, possibly dead, why is it she doesn't cry until Sirius is mentioned?

This leads me to believe even more firmly that perhaps Remus' "I am too old for you, too poor...too dangerous..." are not the only reasons given to Tonks for his reluctance to be with her. A nice "Tonks, I was in love with him" seems even more probable after reviewing this piece of subtext.


Perhaps I'm stretching it a bit. But still, it's a nice thought, after some of the things used for subtext--this doesn't seem too far out of reach. So, comments? Thoughts?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:40 pm


Captain here:

Must tell you once again that I love you, HK for having the courage to reread book six and find that little piece of hope.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:02 pm


It was a long and hard journey Captain, but I made it through safely.

It wasn't too bad as long as I ignored the weird relationships and just jumped to the important parts. You know, like the end. When Harry finds out about Severus all the way up to the point where Phlegm declares she doesn't care about Bill being a werewolf is really exciting. And then I skipped a page and a half, and the parts after that were really exciting. xp
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:04 pm


Good idea. I have it on CD. I have the option of skipping to the next track which works just as well. I may have to re-listen to it again just so I don't feel like a complete moron if I write fanfictions using information from book six.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:08 pm


O.o ... I just choose to deny it. Book six was written like a very terrible fanfiction, what with the whole Harry/Ginny spiel at the end. *eyeroll*

To tell you the truth, I'm more impressed by the fanfiction then I am by JKR's stuff.

Besides, Remus and Tonks? O.o Tonks is probably a substitute... she has Siri's kinda personality. *shrug* Maybe he'll use her related-bloodness to bring him back. *hopes*
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:30 pm


Same personality? Hardly! She's such a clutz. He probably makes her change her hair and face just enough to remind him of Sirius but not enough for her to catch on. xp

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:12 pm


HKBlack
Same personality? Hardly! She's such a clutz. He probably makes her change her hair and face just enough to remind him of Sirius but not enough for her to catch on. xp

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:05 pm


Aye matey! Ye be brilliant I say, BRILLIANT!

Thanks so effin much for finding that. Now we can finally kick those stupid homophobic Tonks/Remus shippers out of the way.

I think that the only reason Tonks and Remus appear to be having a relationship at the end is because Remus just feels bad for the poor girl and wants her to shut up. He also probably feels really lonely. My guess is he's just using her.

Man, I bet that's gotta suck, losing to a dead guy. I mean, if the guy you want would rather screw his dead lover instead of you... man.. that's a burn!

XD Sorry, I'm really obnoxious today.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:18 am


HKBlack
Same personality? Hardly! She's such a clutz. He probably makes her change her hair and face just enough to remind him of Sirius but not enough for her to catch on. xp


Eh.. I guess we'll never know what Siri's personality would have been like.. what with 12 years of Azkaban and then falling behind the BLOODY VEIL not even three years after he got out. crying Poor Remmy. *snuggles Remmy*

I dunno. I kinda picture Siri as being kinda bouncy when cheerful. (though much more smooth than Tonks) *shrug*
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:21 am


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Aye matey! Ye be brilliant I say, BRILLIANT!

Thanks so effin much for finding that. Now we can finally kick those stupid homophobic Tonks/Remus shippers out of the way.

I think that the only reason Tonks and Remus appear to be having a relationship at the end is because Remus just feels bad for the poor girl and wants her to shut up. He also probably feels really lonely. My guess is he's just using her.

Man, I bet that's gotta suck, losing to a dead guy. I mean, if the guy you want would rather screw his dead lover instead of you... man.. that's a burn!

XD Sorry, I'm really obnoxious today.


As long as you've never actually tripped someone down a set of steps for Remus/Sirius bashing and using Tonks as the excuse you're less obnoxius than me ^_^
(she did however totally deserve it and it was only five steps...)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:59 am


Andatariel
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Aye matey! Ye be brilliant I say, BRILLIANT!

Thanks so effin much for finding that. Now we can finally kick those stupid homophobic Tonks/Remus shippers out of the way.

I think that the only reason Tonks and Remus appear to be having a relationship at the end is because Remus just feels bad for the poor girl and wants her to shut up. He also probably feels really lonely. My guess is he's just using her.

Man, I bet that's gotta suck, losing to a dead guy. I mean, if the guy you want would rather screw his dead lover instead of you... man.. that's a burn!

XD Sorry, I'm really obnoxious today.


As long as you've never actually tripped someone down a set of steps for Remus/Sirius bashing and using Tonks as the excuse you're less obnoxius than me ^_^
(she did however totally deserve it and it was only five steps...)
I've just loving everyone in the last week. That's awesome. Wish I could have been there.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:43 am


Andatariel
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Aye matey! Ye be brilliant I say, BRILLIANT!

Thanks so effin much for finding that. Now we can finally kick those stupid homophobic Tonks/Remus shippers out of the way.

I think that the only reason Tonks and Remus appear to be having a relationship at the end is because Remus just feels bad for the poor girl and wants her to shut up. He also probably feels really lonely. My guess is he's just using her.

Man, I bet that's gotta suck, losing to a dead guy. I mean, if the guy you want would rather screw his dead lover instead of you... man.. that's a burn!

XD Sorry, I'm really obnoxious today.


As long as you've never actually tripped someone down a set of steps for Remus/Sirius bashing and using Tonks as the excuse you're less obnoxius than me ^_^
(she did however totally deserve it and it was only five steps...)


I... no.. o.o No, I haven't done that actually. I don't tend to talk about my R/S obsession in public anymore. With friends or family or whatever... everyone looks at me strange. Actually.. they all roll their eyes at the mere mention of Harry Potter so I keep to my self about my hobbies.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:57 pm


Of course--considering the people in this guild I wasn't expecting any one to go "Uh, no you're dumb" But I was expecting maybe a few people telling me I had stretched it just too far.

Good to know you all pretty much see eye-to-eye with me.


As for the tripping the basher down the stairs:

rofl heart heart heart
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:43 am


HKBlack
Of course--considering the people in this guild I wasn't expecting any one to go "Uh, no you're dumb" But I was expecting maybe a few people telling me I had stretched it just too far.

Good to know you all pretty much see eye-to-eye with me.


As for the tripping the basher down the stairs:

rofl heart heart heart


Lol.

Yay peoples! J-j (James, my friend) told me off for tripping her but she totally deserved it she's a stuck up cow anyway but saying that R/S is 'just, like. gross and, like, so, like wrong and like icky and Remus likes Tonks anyway, and, like, learn to, like, read!' is an offence worthy of tripping.

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