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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:43 am


Is there already a thread on like, animal abuse and stuff?
I didn't think there was..

But I was scrollin' through Tumblr and I saw a post. And it contained many different images, but the main gist and point was, "If you eat meat, you're not allowed to say that you love animals and are against animal abuse."

And it just.
I laughed at first.
I thought it was pretty silly.
I understnad that some slaughter houses are abusive and a lot of the animals can be mistreated. That's wrong.

But because I enjoy hamburger does not mean I condone animal abuse.
And I shouldn't have to go all out vegetarian just to love animals and be against animal abuse.
That's ridiculous.

It's wrong to act unnecessarily cruel towards anything and anyone.
But I still love meat.
I should still love cows and think their adorable and voice that they should be treated better in slaughter houses and still be able to eat them.
I mean.
I need food.
And if their not being treated terribly and its just quick and clean, I don't see the issue.

Is that wrong?
Do I have to not eat meat at all to claim to hate animal abuse and love animals?
What do you think?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:16 am


Ephynas Puggle
Is there already a thread on like, animal abuse and stuff?
I didn't think there was..

But I was scrollin' through Tumblr and I saw a post. And it contained many different images, but the main gist and point was, "If you eat meat, you're not allowed to say that you love animals and are against animal abuse."

And it just.
I laughed at first.
I thought it was pretty silly.
I understnad that some slaughter houses are abusive and a lot of the animals can be mistreated. That's wrong.

But because I enjoy hamburger does not mean I condone animal abuse.
And I shouldn't have to go all out vegetarian just to love animals and be against animal abuse.
That's ridiculous.

It's wrong to act unnecessarily cruel towards anything and anyone.
But I still love meat.
I should still love cows and think their adorable and voice that they should be treated better in slaughter houses and still be able to eat them.
I mean.
I need food.
And if their not being treated terribly and its just quick and clean, I don't see the issue.

Is that wrong?
Do I have to not eat meat at all to claim to hate animal abuse and love animals?
What do you think?


As a vegetarian I apologize for this kind of attitude thats so common with my people. gonk Whoever posted that should really learn to use "I" language. Like if they had said something like "I love animals and I hate animal abuse so I don't eat meat" that'd be fine but dang. Projecting that onto everybody else is so smug...

I think what maybe they're trying to get at is, since you don't really know if what you're eating has come from one of these unethical slaughterhouses or not, you could maybe be supporting that kind of cruelty without knowing it and the only way to totally avoid it is to not partake at all? Is what it sounds like, just worded really pretentiously.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:30 am


Why would slaughterhouses need ethics? They are killing animals, not raising them. Do they give cows 20 lashes with a cat o nine tails before they grind them up or something? Thatd probably tenderize it some. Hmmmm. Crazy theory from myself. Anyway, I love meat. There's nothing better and some hearty animal flesh.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:33 am


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Why would slaughterhouses need ethics? They are killing animals, not raising them. Do they give cows 20 lashes with a cat o nine tails before they grind them up or something? Thatd probably tenderize it some. Hmmmm. Crazy theory from myself. Anyway, I love meat. There's nothing better and some hearty animal flesh.


Well even if they are going to be killing them, theres no reason it can't be done quickly and humanely. But a lot of the time it isn't...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:36 am


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Why would slaughterhouses need ethics? They are killing animals, not raising them. Do they give cows 20 lashes with a cat o nine tails before they grind them up or something? Thatd probably tenderize it some. Hmmmm. Crazy theory from myself. Anyway, I love meat. There's nothing better and some hearty animal flesh.


Well even if they are going to be killing them, theres no reason it can't be done quickly and humanely. But a lot of the time it isn't...

Why? It's just inefficient to prolong their time in the slaughterhouse. Animals don't matter. It's a business.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:56 am


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Why would slaughterhouses need ethics? They are killing animals, not raising them. Do they give cows 20 lashes with a cat o nine tails before they grind them up or something? Thatd probably tenderize it some. Hmmmm. Crazy theory from myself. Anyway, I love meat. There's nothing better and some hearty animal flesh.


Well even if they are going to be killing them, theres no reason it can't be done quickly and humanely. But a lot of the time it isn't...

Why? It's just inefficient to prolong their time in the slaughterhouse. Animals don't matter. It's a business.


I appreciate and enjoy your honesty.

But..

If animals are being neglected, then their deaths are being prolonged.
Doing it humanely would be the fastest way. Just kill it, mash it up and get it over with.
Take the Butterball Incident for example. It would have been a lot more efficient for workers to stop ******** around and just take care of the birds until it was their time.
I'm more than sure that some of, if not a lot, of those birds couldn't even be used for eating. Which doesn't help the business.

And even if animals "don't matter" that just rubs my fur the wrong way. I am a very strong believer that though shalt not unnecessarily hurt something/someone that can't fight back.
I mean, their being raised to be eaten, so their gonna' get killed anyways.
But to treat it so wrongly?
I'll happily punch any able bodied person in the face if they deserve it. They can put up a fight.
If it can't do anything about its living conditions so its just supposed to sit there and suffer because you're lazy or bored or don't feel like doing your job right?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:35 am


I take exceedingly good care of my pets, and the animals that I raise for food. I would want any slaughterhouse I use to also be careful with the animals that they process, but I understand that some people just are not that way. When I had a rooster that threatened the safety of my other chickens, we removed him from the pen, incapacitated him, and quickly put him out. I didn't want him to suffer, no. Despite the fact that I still have a scar from that jerk. But he had to be taken care of. I have a goat now who is dangerous to my mother in law, and has given me countless bruises in the short months he's been here. When it's time, we'll also incapacitate him and dispatch him quickly. It's just not right to leave any creature in pain, in my mind.

Neglect of pets is a large frustration for me, though. Watching various shows like Animal Hoarders or the Animal Cops would upset me greatly. These people would let their animals live in horrid conditions, not fixed so that they can spare others from that fate, and leave them to their own devices. It's absolutely deplorable. Unless I want babies from my animals, they are always ALWAYS taken to the vet and neutered. There's no excuse not to.

Okay, I think my rant is over. -.-;; Just wanted to throw my two cents in.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:59 am


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Why would slaughterhouses need ethics? They are killing animals, not raising them. Do they give cows 20 lashes with a cat o nine tails before they grind them up or something? Thatd probably tenderize it some. Hmmmm. Crazy theory from myself. Anyway, I love meat. There's nothing better and some hearty animal flesh.


Well even if they are going to be killing them, theres no reason it can't be done quickly and humanely. But a lot of the time it isn't...

Why? It's just inefficient to prolong their time in the slaughterhouse. Animals don't matter. It's a business.


I appreciate and enjoy your honesty.

But..

If animals are being neglected, then their deaths are being prolonged.
Doing it humanely would be the fastest way. Just kill it, mash it up and get it over with.
Take the Butterball Incident for example. It would have been a lot more efficient for workers to stop ******** around and just take care of the birds until it was their time.
I'm more than sure that some of, if not a lot, of those birds couldn't even be used for eating. Which doesn't help the business.

And even if animals "don't matter" that just rubs my fur the wrong way. I am a very strong believer that though shalt not unnecessarily hurt something/someone that can't fight back.
I mean, their being raised to be eaten, so their gonna' get killed anyways.
But to treat it so wrongly?
I'll happily punch any able bodied person in the face if they deserve it. They can put up a fight.
If it can't do anything about its living conditions so its just supposed to sit there and suffer because you're lazy or bored or don't feel like doing your job right?


This, basically. I had something typed up but it wasn't nearly this well put. ...Or polite. Nobody benefits from unnecessary abuse. Not the business and certainly not the animals.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:55 am


Actually, it's more time efficient to kill them humanely. We all know that time is money, right?

As for the care of the animal until it reaches the desired size, I find it very important that they are well taken care of. It's horrible that some places allow their cattle to wallow in their own filth. Not only is it bad for the animals, but I imagine it also makes for a higher risk of E Coli.

The fact that their lives are quite limited isn't an excuse, either. If anything, it should be more of a reason to make sure they're at least comfortable.

If you still find it okay for animals to be treated this way because they 'don't matter' and because they're going to be slaughtered anyway, go watch Food, Inc. and get back to me.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:27 pm


I'm a vegetarian, but I see nothing wrong with eating meat. I am concerned about the conditions on some of the larger farms and in slaughterhouses, though. The fact that the animal will be killed isn't the issue for me, but I see no reason to make them so miserable in the meantime. Besides, from what I've seen, the places that don't care about the treatment of the animals also tend not to care about sanitation and safety, either.

Even if the welfare of the animals isn't of interest to everyone, I would think that eating meat that's been possibly contaminated with filth would merit some concern.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:25 pm


I guess this can go in animal care...

Did you know that goats can give birth without human intervention? Bambi, our nanny, did a fantastic job with her new kid, Star, I think we're naming her, yesterday. I'm tickled for her, and so proud.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:39 pm


Sinful Nana
I guess this can go in animal care...

Did you know that goats can give birth without human intervention? Bambi, our nanny, did a fantastic job with her new kid, Star, I think we're naming her, yesterday. I'm tickled for her, and so proud.


That's totally awesome!
Baby goats <3
You'll have to get some pictures, Nana! :3

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:13 pm


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Baby goats <3
You'll have to get some pictures, Nana! :3

She's in the Pets thread. <3
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