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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:26 pm
Do animals go to Heaven? Be nice because this is a friendly debate.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:35 pm
I remember posting this debate topic in another guild before and it's an interesting one:
I believe that it's something we can't be 100% sure of, but I do believe it is more than possible smile considering a lot of verses in Revelation about the horsemen of the apocalypse.
There is also mention of animal-like characteristics at the Throne of God:
Revelation 4:6 - 8 NIV:
Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:
“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,'
who was, and is, and is to come.”
*There's also prophecies that mention animals so I believe it's possible that animals are in Heaven:
2 Kings 2:11 NIV:
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
* or possibly that there angels or spirits in Heaven that are able to manifest themselves to look like an animal through the power of God. I believe it's possible either way, but I don't think we'll know for sure until we get there smile
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:45 pm
That's basically like asking, Do animals have souls?
According to Bible examples they don't. Since Jesus never mentions he came to set animals free, but humanity. Maybe it just means animals are extempt from sin. It could work both ways.
Although I do believe for sure there are some already pre-existing animals in heaven already, but not for sure any of our deceased lovable companions.
This is all based on what I've read so far, and my logical conclusions.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:23 pm
Why does an armadillo and a rollie pollie look a like?
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:39 pm
Green_Fuu That's basically like asking, Do animals have souls?
According to Bible examples they don't. Since Jesus never mentions he came to set animals free, but humanity. Maybe it just means animals are extempt from sin. It could work both ways.
Although I do believe for sure there are some already pre-existing animals in heaven already, but not for sure any of our deceased lovable companions.
This is all based on what I've read so far, and my logical conclusions. If this is the case then why does Jesus tell us what He does at the end of John, to teach all creatures of Him. (Not all men, but all creatures)
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:11 am
Rsnbl Faith Green_Fuu That's basically like asking, Do animals have souls?
According to Bible examples they don't. Since Jesus never mentions he came to set animals free, but humanity. Maybe it just means animals are extempt from sin. It could work both ways.
Although I do believe for sure there are some already pre-existing animals in heaven already, but not for sure any of our deceased lovable companions.
This is all based on what I've read so far, and my logical conclusions. If this is the case then why does Jesus tell us what He does at the end of John, to teach all creatures of Him. (Not all men, but all creatures)
Only we reserve the right to that title.
We kinda Copyrighted, TM(ed) so to speak.
There's a lot of stuff happening above in the heavens and under the ocean floors that we don't know about.
Although that same book you cited does talk about the creates in heaven having animalistic features sooo.... [insert your thoughts here]
To be honest the issue about animals is not a big concern to me.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:12 am
emorhconom esor Why does an armadillo and a rollie pollie look a like? armadillo's are super cute!
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:48 am
Green_Fuu Rsnbl Faith Green_Fuu That's basically like asking, Do animals have souls?
According to Bible examples they don't. Since Jesus never mentions he came to set animals free, but humanity. Maybe it just means animals are extempt from sin. It could work both ways.
Although I do believe for sure there are some already pre-existing animals in heaven already, but not for sure any of our deceased lovable companions.
This is all based on what I've read so far, and my logical conclusions. If this is the case then why does Jesus tell us what He does at the end of John, to teach all creatures of Him. (Not all men, but all creatures)
Only we reserve the right to that title.
We kinda Copyrighted, TM(ed) so to speak.
There's a lot of stuff happening above in the heavens and under the ocean floors that we don't know about.
Although that same book you cited does talk about the creates in heaven having animalistic features sooo.... [insert your thoughts here]
To be honest the issue about animals is not a big concern to me.Its a silly little question, and I personally don't believe they have the self awareness enough to be 'sinful' or to understand sin, so that last point I made was just silly x3. Though to be honest, your first point makes little to no sense to me and I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with that ^^".... I also have to say the bible never claims either way. It never says whether or not they do or they don't have souls. There are certain assumptions we can make, for instance the Genesis says that only God only breathed life into man, which could be taken as soul but this would be ignoring many literary techniques which could possibly be in use here. (It might also mention that he breathed life into the fouls of the air, I can't remember 100%) Likewise btw, it isn't that big of a concern to me either, but it is interesting to think about.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:37 am
Rsnbl Faith Green_Fuu Rsnbl Faith Green_Fuu That's basically like asking, Do animals have souls?
According to Bible examples they don't. Since Jesus never mentions he came to set animals free, but humanity. Maybe it just means animals are extempt from sin. It could work both ways.
Although I do believe for sure there are some already pre-existing animals in heaven already, but not for sure any of our deceased lovable companions.
This is all based on what I've read so far, and my logical conclusions. If this is the case then why does Jesus tell us what He does at the end of John, to teach all creatures of Him. (Not all men, but all creatures)
Only we reserve the right to that title.
We kinda Copyrighted, TM(ed) so to speak.
There's a lot of stuff happening above in the heavens and under the ocean floors that we don't know about.
Although that same book you cited does talk about the creates in heaven having animalistic features sooo.... [insert your thoughts here]
To be honest the issue about animals is not a big concern to me.Its a silly little question, and I personally don't believe they have the self awareness enough to be 'sinful' or to understand sin, so that last point I made was just silly x3. Though to be honest, your first point makes little to no sense to me and I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with that ^^".... I also have to say the bible never claims either way. It never says whether or not they do or they don't have souls. There are certain assumptions we can make, for instance the Genesis says that only God only breathed life into man, which could be taken as soul but this would be ignoring many literary techniques which could possibly be in use here. (It might also mention that he breathed life into the fouls of the air, I can't remember 100%) Likewise btw, it isn't that big of a concern to me either, but it is interesting to think about. Yeah...I kinda butchered that sentence.
What I meant is that when Jesus refers to all creatures, it doesn't necessary have to include animals, since everything else in heaven/hell are creatures basically.
Anything that isn't "man" is a creature
Well...that or a plant, vegetation.
We basically said the same thing about everything else.
It could go both ways, animals exemption to sin, etc. etc.
What literary techniques??
In what translation?
I want to know everything there is about literary techniques and Genesis!
I'm gonna bust this case open!
emotion_zombie
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:52 pm
I guess we'll find out when we get there, huh? wink I would love to see some baby bunny rabbits there. emotion_kirakira
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:55 pm
Dramatica Angeliqua I guess we'll find out when we get there, huh? wink I would love to see some baby bunny rabbits there. emotion_kirakira Forget bunnies! It's all about penguins! They are always in formalwear.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:07 pm
emorhconom esor Dramatica Angeliqua I guess we'll find out when we get there, huh? wink I would love to see some baby bunny rabbits there. emotion_kirakira Forget bunnies! It's all about penguins! They are always in formalwear. Lol!
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:29 pm
Green_Fuu Rsnbl Faith Green_Fuu Rsnbl Faith Green_Fuu That's basically like asking, Do animals have souls?
According to Bible examples they don't. Since Jesus never mentions he came to set animals free, but humanity. Maybe it just means animals are extempt from sin. It could work both ways.
Although I do believe for sure there are some already pre-existing animals in heaven already, but not for sure any of our deceased lovable companions.
This is all based on what I've read so far, and my logical conclusions. If this is the case then why does Jesus tell us what He does at the end of John, to teach all creatures of Him. (Not all men, but all creatures)
Only we reserve the right to that title.
We kinda Copyrighted, TM(ed) so to speak.
There's a lot of stuff happening above in the heavens and under the ocean floors that we don't know about.
Although that same book you cited does talk about the creates in heaven having animalistic features sooo.... [insert your thoughts here]
To be honest the issue about animals is not a big concern to me.Its a silly little question, and I personally don't believe they have the self awareness enough to be 'sinful' or to understand sin, so that last point I made was just silly x3. Though to be honest, your first point makes little to no sense to me and I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at with that ^^".... I also have to say the bible never claims either way. It never says whether or not they do or they don't have souls. There are certain assumptions we can make, for instance the Genesis says that only God only breathed life into man, which could be taken as soul but this would be ignoring many literary techniques which could possibly be in use here. (It might also mention that he breathed life into the fouls of the air, I can't remember 100%) Likewise btw, it isn't that big of a concern to me either, but it is interesting to think about. Yeah...I kinda butchered that sentence.
What I meant is that when Jesus refers to all creatures, it doesn't necessary have to include animals, since everything else in heaven/hell are creatures basically.
Anything that isn't "man" is a creature
Well...that or a plant, vegetation.
We basically said the same thing about everything else.
It could go both ways, animals exemption to sin, etc. etc.
What literary techniques??
In what translation?
I want to know everything there is about literary techniques and Genesis!
I'm gonna bust this case open!
emotion_zombie I wasn't talking about translations 0o. And if you must know I stay strictly to KJV or NASB. As for literary techniques, I am not a pro at the names of them but there are literary techniques that ignore certain information in order to get to the point quicker. For instance in the Four gospels you will find each one tells a story slightly different. It isn't that the stories contradict each other, just that certain things are left out and certain things are highlighted. It is very possible that the same happens in Genesis when it speaks of God breathing life into man (Spirit derives from a word meaning breath.) So even though it doesn't mention God doing the same with other animals, that doesn't mean that He didn't do it. The lack of information is not the same as evidence against it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:31 pm
I can't think of anywhere in the bible that it says animals don't or do, but this discussion came up one time in my small group, for youth group, and my leader said "if you think about how kind our God is, why wouldn't he grant you a pet that you loved while on Earth, or an animal you always wished to have. He can do anything."
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:51 pm
Here is one thing to think about, animals never fell from grace.
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