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 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:23 pm
Recently I wrote a blog about simple to follow self study method. Please take a look and tell me what you think I'm sure I could have explained better but I think it is ok. Any critiques are welcome. I hope this is useful to anyone starting self study. [I've also posted in a few other guilds so you might see it multiple times.]
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:51 pm
Miyu_Aizawa Recently I wrote a blog about simple to follow self study method. Please take a look and tell me what you think I'm sure I could have explained better but I think it is ok. Any critiques are welcome. I hope this is useful to anyone starting self study. [I've also posted in a few other guilds so you might see it multiple times.] Hmm, this is well and good, but what about if they want to learn some functional Japanese? What about the cultural aspect of learning Japanese? What about learning the phonetics?
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:30 pm
Koiyuki Hmm, this is well and good, but what about if they want to learn some functional Japanese? What about the cultural aspect of learning Japanese? What about learning the phonetics? Good point. I will edit those points in. Thank you. smile
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:51 pm
Miyu_Aizawa Koiyuki Hmm, this is well and good, but what about if they want to learn some functional Japanese? What about the cultural aspect of learning Japanese? What about learning the phonetics? Good point. I will edit those points in. Thank you. smile What do you mean by functional japanese? If they build vocabulary and know grammar, practice speaking and all the likes, is that not functional?
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:19 pm
Miyu_Aizawa Miyu_Aizawa Koiyuki Hmm, this is well and good, but what about if they want to learn some functional Japanese? What about the cultural aspect of learning Japanese? What about learning the phonetics? Good point. I will edit those points in. Thank you. smile What do you mean by functional japanese? If they build vocabulary and know grammar, practice speaking and all the likes, is that not functional? Yes, but I'm talking about the kind of language you would want to know when you first enter a country and have no idea where anything or how anything works in the culture, along with a prototypical response; things like "Where is the bathroom?" for example. The way many learn a language starts with scripts(lines of dialogue meant to achieve a certain effect, e.g. the "Hey, what's up?" exchange you have with friends before getting into the meat of a conversation), then learning different types of words, then grammar, and so on, and so on. It's done this way because lots of folks already have a good grasp on how words work by the time they get into a new language, what they don't know that well is the grammar, and new info takes a lot more practice and study to get down pat than words alone
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:32 pm
Koiyuki Miyu_Aizawa Miyu_Aizawa Koiyuki Hmm, this is well and good, but what about if they want to learn some functional Japanese? What about the cultural aspect of learning Japanese? What about learning the phonetics? Good point. I will edit those points in. Thank you. smile What do you mean by functional japanese? If they build vocabulary and know grammar, practice speaking and all the likes, is that not functional? Yes, but I'm talking about the kind of language you would want to know when you first enter a country and have no idea where anything or how anything works in the culture, along with a prototypical response; things like "Where is the bathroom?" for example. The way many learn a language starts with scripts(lines of dialogue meant to achieve a certain effect, e.g. the "Hey, what's up?" exchange you have with friends before getting into the meat of a conversation), then learning different types of words, then grammar, and so on, and so on. It's done this way because lots of folks already have a good grasp on how words work by the time they get into a new language, what they don't know that well is the grammar, and new info takes a lot more practice and study to get down pat than words alone I'm not trying to actually teach japanese with this post. If i choose to teach any bit of japanese I will make separate posts. All of the links I've provided throughout the post have grammar and phrase related things. Asking where the bathroom is is always in the first few lessons. If a person want to go to japan and Know Japanese before they get there with self study these are the steps they can take. If they just want to know useful sentences to get around they can use a phrase book. Unfortunately a phrase book won't be 100% realistically useful to them. The idea of this blog post is to point people towards things that they can use to learn Japanese.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:42 am
I would find it interesting if a book would teach both grammar and simple phrases that use the grammar in a social context (some hit the first and miss the second, others do the opposite), but the problem with phrases (despite how some people 'passing through' a language quickly learn something about it) is that they are so context specific to a particular conversation or scenario that it wouldn't make a lot lot of practical sense in the end.
The best part of a language (like Japanese anyway) is learning enough grammar and vocab to be able to construct sentences on the fly depending on how the conversation is going. Simple phrase books do not allow that. I remember a few books have something where they had a simple grammar structure and you could plug-and-play the vocab to work with that particular sentence....I always thought that was interesting.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:55 pm
IdiotbyDefault I would find it interesting if a book would teach both grammar and simple phrases that use the grammar in a social context (some hit the first and miss the second, others do the opposite), but the problem with phrases (despite how some people 'passing through' a language quickly learn something about it) is that they are so context specific to a particular conversation or scenario that it wouldn't make a lot lot of practical sense in the end. The best part of a language (like Japanese anyway) is learning enough grammar and vocab to be able to construct sentences on the fly depending on how the conversation is going. Simple phrase books do not allow that. I remember a few books have something where they had a simple grammar structure and you could plug-and-play the vocab to work with that particular sentence....I always thought that was interesting. I think TaeKim's guide does a good job of using functional sentences with grammar lessons.
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