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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:50 am


So it seems with the seemingly imminent implementation of ACTA, Megaupload (one of the largest, fastest, and most popular file hosting services) is now out for good as its domains have been seized by the US government and its sites closed down. Rather unfortunate as it was probably my favorite file hosting site. Filesonic and other file hosting services have also announced that they will be ending file sharing by allowing only the original uploader of files to download them. Additionally, many file hosting sites have discontinued their "rewards program" which rewarded users for acquiring large amounts of downloads (usually premium accounts but in MU's case, premium accounts AND money).

Megaupload founder Kim Schmitz (Kim Dotcom) has also been arrested and is currently being detained without bail in New Zealand with the possibility of extradition to the US. If found guilty, it could spell bad news for any site that unknowingly participates in copyright infringement such as youtube, mediafire, facebook, google, etc.

It seems likely that if the people don't make enough noise over this outrage, ACTA and SOPA will be soon to pass. The hacker collection known as "Anonymous" has taken it upon themselves to retaliate with a mass DDoS attack on the websites of the organizations that orchestrated the takedown. A more effective means of protest, IMO, would be a mass boycott of the goods they seek to protect. I doubt that would ever happen though. People today are too spoiled to go without the latest Lady Gaga song for too long.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:39 am


That would be basically a boycott of all forms of entertainment in the form of television, movies, shows, music, etc. This would certainly hurt the musicians more than anyone else, and have incredibly little effect on anyone else, if it ever got off of the ground (which, as you already noted, it never would).
SOPA will not pass. Obama has already promised to veto it, even if it does pass through the congress/senate. SOPA is therefore over and not a threat. I don't have all of the details on ACTA, though.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:50 am


cat_gonk You mean we got a second piece of garbage that needs to be shot down too!! cat_stare It saddens me that people had suggested to create such a thing as SOPA in the first place and cause such a thing. I find that in a way it's stopping a form of creativity for some as they draw their inspiration from the works of art, the songs, movies and pictures that others create (myself included in this part) and stifles creativity in a way. I'm glad to hear that such an awful thing as SOPA will be stopped one way or another. I do however hope that this ACTA thing will not be the same basic idea wrapped in a different package though. I find that sharing things is human nature and another way of getting to know one another and what they like and dislike so such a thing holds a vast array of ramifications. I'll be sure to try and see if I can find out more about this ACTA thing through those that are more informed then myself on the matter though because when we can't share things then I think it's a sad day indeed.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:14 am


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It saddens me that people had suggested to create such a thing as SOPA in the first place and cause such a thing. I find that in a way it's stopping a form of creativity for some as they draw their inspiration from the works of art, the songs, movies and pictures that others create (myself included in this part) and stifles creativity in a way.

SOPA is something that would be rightly universally reviled, but really... Is it honestly doing the arts world a favor? If the artists (musicians, in this instance) wanted to share their work for free, don't you think that they would all personally sign to have all of their music put legally on-line on free sites? I am against SOPA, but I don't think that we should put on pretenses about it being stopped for the good of artists.
One day (if I am to have lived a fulfilled life) I will publish a graphic novel. Those who honestly are fans of my work and respect it and/or me will purchase it. Self-serving (to a greater extent than I, even) thieving scumbags who think that they have the right to decide whether or not I get the money for the work that they stole will just take it. Something should stop them (preferably respect and decency, but in their absense, perhaps some law) but it shouldn't be SOPA.
I would like to suggest that some motivated person pull up the specific language that details both SOPA and ACTA in order for us to more conveniently have a debate where we can more readily refer to the specific language.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:25 am


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It saddens me that people had suggested to create such a thing as SOPA in the first place and cause such a thing. I find that in a way it's stopping a form of creativity for some as they draw their inspiration from the works of art, the songs, movies and pictures that others create (myself included in this part) and stifles creativity in a way.

SOPA is something that would be rightly universally reviled, but really... Is it honestly doing the arts world a favor? If the artists (musicians, in this instance) wanted to share their work for free, don't you think that they would all personally sign to have all of their music put legally on-line on free sites? I am against SOPA, but I don't think that we should put on pretenses about it being stopped for the good of artists.
One day (if I am to have lived a fulfilled life) I will publish a graphic novel. Those who honestly are fans of my work and respect it and/or me will purchase it. Self-serving (to a greater extent than I, even) thieving scumbags who think that they have the right to decide whether or not I get the money for the work that they stole will just take it. Something should stop them (preferably respect and decency, but in their absense, perhaps some law) but it shouldn't be SOPA.
I would like to suggest that some motivated person pull up the specific language that details both SOPA and ACTA in order for us to more conveniently have a debate where we can more readily refer to the specific language.

I'd have to agree with you in this too however. It's also quite difficult to have a debate or even make an informed decision on such things if there is no information available to make such a decision. It'll be interesting to watch such a debate I think. I suppose I can see both sides of the argument to a degree with the amount of information I have at the moment so I can't say that I'm against those that wish to be paid for the time and effort they put into things such as your graphic novel and I am against the stealing and taking credit for works that others had done. I know that when I use images and such I refuse to claim any of it as my own work as they are rightfully the work of the owners and such things. The most I would do is say if I altered an image then I'd say as much but still point all credit towards the original artist. A more detailed and informed piece of literature that holds the details of both SOPA and ACTA would be more desirable I think to many who wish to make informed choices on things even though they hold their opinion on one part or another aspect of it.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:34 am


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I'd have to agree with you in this too however. It's also quite difficult to have a debate or even make an informed decision on such things if there is no information available to make such a decision. It'll be interesting to watch such a debate I think. I suppose I can see both sides of the argument to a degree with the amount of information I have at the moment so I can't say that I'm against those that wish to be paid for the time and effort they put into things such as your graphic novel and I am against the stealing and taking credit for works that others had done. I know that when I use images and such I refuse to claim any of it as my own work as they are rightfully the work of the owners and such things. The most I would do is say if I altered an image then I'd say as much but still point all credit towards the original artist. A more detailed and informed piece of literature that holds the details of both SOPA and ACTA would be more desirable I think to many who wish to make informed choices on things even though they hold their opinion on one part or another aspect of it.

I have made an informed decision, as have others. It's not that I've never read the literature of the bill, it's just that having it readily on hand could enhance my ability to debate some of the finer points, and allow others to be familiar, more familiar, or just provide more ready access.
One of the things most wrong with SOPA is that the idea of due process being removed from the equation. If you, as a site owner are accused of having pirated things or the like on your site (just accused, not found guilty) then the site will be taken down. If you are investigated and found totally innocent, then two years is the amount of time that it will take to get your site back... Minimum. But I could be wrong on that duration, which is why I'd like the literature.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:41 am


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I'd have to agree with you in this too however. It's also quite difficult to have a debate or even make an informed decision on such things if there is no information available to make such a decision. It'll be interesting to watch such a debate I think. I suppose I can see both sides of the argument to a degree with the amount of information I have at the moment so I can't say that I'm against those that wish to be paid for the time and effort they put into things such as your graphic novel and I am against the stealing and taking credit for works that others had done. I know that when I use images and such I refuse to claim any of it as my own work as they are rightfully the work of the owners and such things. The most I would do is say if I altered an image then I'd say as much but still point all credit towards the original artist. A more detailed and informed piece of literature that holds the details of both SOPA and ACTA would be more desirable I think to many who wish to make informed choices on things even though they hold their opinion on one part or another aspect of it.

I have made an informed decision, as have others. It's not that I've never read the literature of the bill, it's just that having it readily on hand could enhance my ability to debate some of the finer points, and allow others to be familiar, more familiar, or just provide more ready access.
One of the things most wrong with SOPA is that the idea of due process being removed from the equation. If you, as a site owner are accused of having pirated things or the like on your site (just accused, not found guilty) then the site will be taken down. If you are investigated and found totally innocent, then two years is the amount of time that it will take to get your site back... Minimum. But I could be wrong on that duration, which is why I'd like the literature.
I see. This would be one of the reasons I would like to look into it more actually. I only have limited knowledge of it myself so although the information I have paints a rather bleak and unjust picture, I would like to be more informed on the matter if I were to take on such a large decision on a vote or such. However from what little information I do possess of the SOPA I am shocked and think it's a terrible thing, but even saying so I also acknowledge that I would need more information on the subject and due to personal preference I just like to be well informed before I dedicate any time or energy towards one side or another.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:42 am


I want to pull aside from the debate for a moment and make special note of the following, which I welcome to enter into this as a side-debate.
Anonymous has, as you may have heard, retaliated against the FBI and was successful in shutting down their website with a mass influx of traffic and I have heard that Anonymous is using other people's computers to launch their attacks, without the user consenting or even being aware that it's happening.
Now remember bill that gave with the US government's power to indefinitely detain people (specifically terrorists) without charging or putting them on trial? Not only does is cyber terrorism covered, but Anonymous is specifically recognized as a terrorist organization.
In short, in looking into this and related information, be exceptionally careful upon which links you click.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:44 am


Wait a minute.. since SOPA isn't being passed anymore, shouldn't that megauploader guy be set free or something?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:01 am


cat_gonk Things have gone that far already?! That's a shock...I'll have to ensure I don't click any links then

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:17 am


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Wait a minute.. since SOPA isn't being passed anymore, shouldn't that megauploader guy be set free or something?

SOPA isn't about who does and who doesn't get arrested. SOPA is more about taking down content and deciding which sites are taken down. He was found in violation of existing copyright laws.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:20 am


And they only choose now to have him arrested?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:47 am


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And they only choose now to have him arrested?

They did clearly choose to make an example of him and demonstrate their willingness to enforce laws like SOPA. I won't say that it was totally a coincidence, but they can't start enforcing a law when it's still a bill waiting to be passed. There were copyright laws already in place that made what he did illegal. As I said, it seems clear that they wanted to make an example of him.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:19 am


Which he really does deserve, to be honest. I mean, I won't say that I don't have pirated films on my hard drive (because I have about a dozen, at the opposite end of the spectrum, I've paid for all the music I own) but I could quite happily live without them. Kim Dotcom has featured rather heavily in the news here (seeing as I live in the country he was arrested in - go New Zealand, you shithole, you), and all I've really managed to see of him is that he is a spoilt man, renting the most expensive house in the country ($30 million, I think), playing with the most expensive toys, and being a disgusting, horrible man. He deserves to be jailed for swindling the music industry and the film industry out of revenue.

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