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 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:32 pm
So, I am not suicidal or anything but the unknown always makes me curious. I wonder what death is like and if we just come up with places like heaven and hell to make ourselves feel better in life and a way to control masses of people. Hell seems like it is only there to scare people into doing what others want them too. The bible (not knocking Christians) would be like propaganda which it has been called in the past. I recently asked my friend why she thought a certain way about a political issue and she said it was because the bible told her to think that why. I study history and I know that a long time ago a bunch of old, rich, white men got together and decided what would be in the bible. They decided what information was okay for the public to know. So no matter what you believe do we just console ourselves with the thought/ wishful thinking of heaven/hell, and what is the basis of all this, I mean it is kind of hard to confirm? Or when we die is it just like a light going out, a fire being smothered?
** It just makes me wonder, I did not mean to offend anyone** sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:39 pm
I would suppose that an afterlife would begin as a construction based on your own expectations before gradually reaching consensus with reality. Some people believe it's just an endocrine chemical release. I have no reason to support that claim.
What does seem apparent though is the idea that if you were happy when you died, you will be happy dead, and if you were depressed when you died, you will not enjoy the initial transition of death. That means you should avoid dying while depressed, or you may spend a long time reaching equilibrium.
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:16 pm
Michael Noire I would suppose that an afterlife would begin as a construction based on your own expectations before gradually reaching consensus with reality. Some people believe it's just an endocrine chemical release. I have no reason to support that claim. What does seem apparent though is the idea that if you were happy when you died, you will be happy dead, and if you were depressed when you died, you will not enjoy the initial transition of death. That means you should avoid dying while depressed, or you may spend a long time reaching equilibrium.
I feel this is very true. I'm a spiritual person and I believe that people radiate energy. How you think deeply reveals how you will experience things. It's pretty common sense that if you approach something with a hopeful manner, you will have a better result and vice versa. I am also interested with death, and I caution with any info from the bible. Just looking at the scripture in an objective way, you can identify contradictions that don't seem to add up. I don't think it's a diss to observe this. It just means that maybe that should be looked into. Everyone should analyze what they believe, just so that they can rationalize their beliefs with others. Anyways, I don't really have a clear idea what will happen when I die, and I don't think anyone has a strong enough claim to say otherwise. We're just kind of stuck in the dark on this one. However we can make speculations, but nothing more.
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:09 pm
LucytheLovableLoner Michael Noire I would suppose that an afterlife would begin as a construction based on your own expectations before gradually reaching consensus with reality. Some people believe it's just an endocrine chemical release. I have no reason to support that claim. What does seem apparent though is the idea that if you were happy when you died, you will be happy dead, and if you were depressed when you died, you will not enjoy the initial transition of death. That means you should avoid dying while depressed, or you may spend a long time reaching equilibrium.
I feel this is very true. I'm a spiritual person and I believe that people radiate energy. How you think deeply reveals how you will experience things. It's pretty common sense that if you approach something with a hopeful manner, you will have a better result and vice versa. I am also interested with death, and I caution with any info from the bible. Just looking at the scripture in an objective way, you can identify contradictions that don't seem to add up. I don't think it's a diss to observe this. It just means that maybe that should be looked into. Everyone should analyze what they believe, just so that they can rationalize their beliefs with others. Anyways, I don't really have a clear idea what will happen when I die, and I don't think anyone has a strong enough claim to say otherwise. We're just kind of stuck in the dark on this one. However we can make speculations, but nothing more.Yeah, I want to hope I will be rewarded for my good deeds, that is what I hope in my heart. But my head tells me that is not how it works. And the church came up with things and elaborated on things that were either barely mentioned or not even in the bible. Hell was a church invention, besides the contradict with the fact that anyone can get forgiveness and go to "heaven". So they kind of lose on the fear factor.
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:29 pm
frozen622 LucytheLovableLoner Michael Noire I would suppose that an afterlife would begin as a construction based on your own expectations before gradually reaching consensus with reality. Some people believe it's just an endocrine chemical release. I have no reason to support that claim. What does seem apparent though is the idea that if you were happy when you died, you will be happy dead, and if you were depressed when you died, you will not enjoy the initial transition of death. That means you should avoid dying while depressed, or you may spend a long time reaching equilibrium.
I feel this is very true. I'm a spiritual person and I believe that people radiate energy. How you think deeply reveals how you will experience things. It's pretty common sense that if you approach something with a hopeful manner, you will have a better result and vice versa. I am also interested with death, and I caution with any info from the bible. Just looking at the scripture in an objective way, you can identify contradictions that don't seem to add up. I don't think it's a diss to observe this. It just means that maybe that should be looked into. Everyone should analyze what they believe, just so that they can rationalize their beliefs with others. Anyways, I don't really have a clear idea what will happen when I die, and I don't think anyone has a strong enough claim to say otherwise. We're just kind of stuck in the dark on this one. However we can make speculations, but nothing more.Yeah, I want to hope I will be rewarded for my good deeds, that is what I hope in my heart. But my head tells me that is not how it works. And the church came up with things and elaborated on things that were either barely mentioned or not even in the bible. Hell was a church invention, besides the contradict with the fact that anyone can get forgiveness and go to "heaven". So they kind of lose on the fear factor.
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:14 pm
Well, there are tons of near-death experiences, and accounts to read up on for one. Some of them talk about having a sense of peace, and meeting Jesus, and having him look back on all the good and bad things they've done before sending them back.
They others, they aren't nearly as pleasant, fire, brimstone, pain, fear, not being able to see anything, but feeling like they're on fire.
The basic details vary from person to person, but it's always basically the same story.
If you're skeptical, I'll give you a few links to youtube videos, you can claim what you want about propaganda and such, but what gain would those who lived 2000 years ago get from claiming that Jesus arose from the dead? None. The Pharisees certainly weren't for them, the Roman Empire probably didn't like them any more, and it lead to being imprisoned, and death. So tell me, what profit would it be to tell a lie and say Jesus wasn't God? It couldn't make them wealthy, or famous, what reason would they have to spread the 'Religion' around if it would only get them killed for a lie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwBEerA4_uY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIawFI3-tz4&feature=related
And these are truly just a few of them, if you search youtube- no, if you search the internet, google in general, you will find so many accounts that it's not even funny.
In reality, we can try to believe that there might be other ways, like Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Afterlife as a ghost or energy.
Not all of them can be correct, each of these religions, and theories, and beliefs contradict the other.
The way I see it for people who don't believe in God, they have the second one to look forward to, Hell, not to be judgmental or anything.
I mean to them, it's just like life shutting off like a computer, or television for the last time, if like is like that, we have nothing to look forward to, and it's just over, and a lot of people like to think this way because they don't like the idea of a God that knows everything that they do, and will judge us someday.
But if Athiests are wrong, and there is a true Heaven, and a true Hell, that means there are consequences to our actions, if we live a evil life, we will burn, if we live a good life, we get to live with God.
The thing is, the concept of good itself is misconceived, we often
just try to be a bit better, we try to do things for others, we try to
do good things, in hope that we're better than people in history who have done terrible things like Hitler, and Stalin, and other lunatics. When in reality, the judgement won't be done that way, if you were a judge, would you let a murderer off of the hook who said, "Judge, I know that I raped, and murdered this little girl, but I washed your car, and gave to charity before I got here."
God is a Judge, some like to think of him as some caring Grandfather, he isn't like that, he loves all of us, but doesn't grant salvation through our own deeds, if that were the case, what would be the point of Jesus dying for us?
He died so that we could have life everlasting, only by repenting, and accepting him can people be saved. And since we have all violated the Ten Commandments, we're all guilty, meaning each of us deserves hell, including myself. Anyone can be accepted if they trust in him though.
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:06 pm
They had very good reasons for wanting people to believe these things. They wanted money, power, and control over the gullible masses. I believe in many religious conspiracies and not like in a fictional novel so do not even start that. You are talking about a religion that wants you to baptize babies because all humans are born with the "original sin" and they will go to hell because baptism is supposed to purge that "sin". And where is your factual evidence, because the scientists that people think are crazy and "unholy" have hard proof or are you from one of those areas where they call dinosaurs Jesus horses? Please, I did not mean for this to be a deeply religious thread and now realize I could have worded things better but no one wants a sermon, least of all me. So please do not shove your religion down my throat and I will not shove my skepticism down yours.
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