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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:06 pm
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I was trying to figure out the story's and traditions behind the wheel of the year in correlation to the god and goddess.
YULE: (December, 2 months) God Rebirth Goddess New Mother
IMBOLIC: (February, 2 months) Goddess Virgin God Maturing
OSTARA: (March, 1 month) Goddess lovely, inocent growing love God Handsome Young Man
BELTAIN: (May, 2 months) Goddess, Becomes Pregnant God, Love and Fertility
MIDSUMMER: (June, 1 month) Goddess Pregnant God At His Peak
LAMMAS: (August, 2 months) Goddess More Pregnant God Weakens With Age
MABON: (September, 1 month) Goddess Still Pregnant God Old Man
SAMHAIN: (October, 2 months) Goddess Still Pregnant In Sadness God Passes beyond the Veil
So does that sound about right? Its just I hear often people speaking of it when talking about the wheel of the year and celebrating the sabbat so I'm trying to straighten it in my mind. I know its not this way for everyone but I'm looking for the more popularly and spoken of conceptions of this.
btw I posted this question in another guild so sorry if you see it twice
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:12 pm
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:54 pm
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:35 pm
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:35 am
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What you're describing is roughly the gist of the Wheel - the God and Goddess going from Birth to Death and then Rebirth together. The Goddess herself is ageless and timeless, where as the power of the God rises and falls with the strength of the sun, and the growth of the natural world. He will always die and be reborn, so long as she holds his seed.
The Wheel of the Year is not an old concept. It came about during the same period of time as Wicca - it really is a creation of Gardner, wherein several different cultural holiday traditions were brought together to represent both cycles of fertility, and agricultural activity in Britain. The cultures these holidays are drawn from did not celebrate 8 Sabbats. They had different holidays, and maybe celebrated up to half of what's represented on the Wheel of the year.
The eclectic neo-pagan movement also latched onto the structure of the Wheel, but without the context it holds for Wiccans, and the Wheel of the Year has thusly acquired different significance for non-Wiccans. I think this is largely due to a different focus for many: nature worship rather than fertility, the variance in Deities, whether it be to focus on non-British pantheons or regions, or to have a soft-poly approach to Deity.
Outside of Wicca, I observe and honour the seasons when they turn, regardless of a calendar date. This has more impact on my day to day life, than the ritual calendar the Wheel represents.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:48 am
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Morgandria What you're describing is roughly the gist of the Wheel - the God and Goddess going from Birth to Death and then Rebirth together. The Goddess herself is ageless and timeless, where as the power of the God rises and falls with the strength of the sun, and the growth of the natural world. He will always die and be reborn, so long as she holds his seed. The Wheel of the Year is not an old concept. It came about during the same period of time as Wicca - it really is a creation of Gardner, wherein several different cultural holiday traditions were brought together to represent both cycles of fertility, and agricultural activity in Britain. The cultures these holidays are drawn from did not celebrate 8 Sabbats. They had different holidays, and maybe celebrated up to half of what's represented on the Wheel of the year. The eclectic neo-pagan movement also latched onto the structure of the Wheel, but without the context it holds for Wiccans, and the Wheel of the Year has thusly acquired different significance for non-Wiccans. I think this is largely due to a different focus for many: nature worship rather than fertility, the variance in Deities, whether it be to focus on non-British pantheons or regions, or to have a soft-poly approach to Deity. Outside of Wicca, I observe and honour the seasons when they turn, regardless of a calendar date. This has more impact on my day to day life, than the ritual calendar the Wheel represents. very interesting....
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:48 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:28 pm
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Musical_Vampire_Socks Morgandria What you're describing is roughly the gist of the Wheel - the God and Goddess going from Birth to Death and then Rebirth together. The Goddess herself is ageless and timeless, where as the power of the God rises and falls with the strength of the sun, and the growth of the natural world. He will always die and be reborn, so long as she holds his seed. ... Do you just kind of feel when the seasons change and celebrate then?
Yes and No.
No, because I am Wiccan, and I do use the Wheel of the Year as a ritual calendar with my coven. We use the astrological dates for the Sabbats, as closely as we can, to set our ritual observances. Some groups use fixed dates for their Sabbats, rather than astrological ones. For Wicca the Sabbats are not arbitrary. They happen at particular points inside the year.
And Yes, because my personal practice is not Wicca, and I spend a lot of time practicing on my own. My own personal 'calendar' involves generally just the cross-quarters, and in between I tend to honour things whenever certain things happen (like the first snow, or the harvest of some crop, etc.) and not by a set calendar of any kind. For example, on my own I don't celebrate the equinoxes or solstices. My weather and seasonal patterns don't line up that well with them.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:55 pm
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Morgandria Musical_Vampire_Socks Morgandria What you're describing is roughly the gist of the Wheel - the God and Goddess going from Birth to Death and then Rebirth together. The Goddess herself is ageless and timeless, where as the power of the God rises and falls with the strength of the sun, and the growth of the natural world. He will always die and be reborn, so long as she holds his seed. ... Do you just kind of feel when the seasons change and celebrate then? Yes and No. No, because I am Wiccan, and I do use the Wheel of the Year as a ritual calendar with my coven. We use the astrological dates for the Sabbats, as closely as we can, to set our ritual observances. Some groups use fixed dates for their Sabbats, rather than astrological ones. For Wicca the Sabbats are not arbitrary. They happen at particular points inside the year. And Yes, because my personal practice is not Wicca, and I spend a lot of time practicing on my own. My own personal 'calendar' involves generally just the cross-quarters, and in between I tend to honour things whenever certain things happen (like the first snow, or the harvest of some crop, etc.) and not by a set calendar of any kind. For example, on my own I don't celebrate the equinoxes or solstices. My weather and seasonal patterns don't line up that well with them. I follow the astrological Sabbats myself as well. I don't see the Sabbaths as certain days as some might its an exact time to me and the day that time lands on is the Sabbat in my book....
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