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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:09 pm


The title should say it all but the following is a pm between myself and him. In which, as you will read, I suggested he make an appeal to the council and I would post it up for him. Within the pm is the appeal, it's where he starts numbering things. Please look and read over it carefully.

Sendo Pythol
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I have two points up.


1.) Council Activity: One point regarding my council activity seems overlooked and as such, I believe its contradictory. Ever since I got word of my inactivity in the Council from Redd in his post on my extension of my Captainship, I have since then tried to remain on top of Council decisions and votes but some things have gotten in the way, but mostly, I managed to stay on top of it. The things that have somewhat hindered my capabilities in Council will be mentioned later. I mean, if you can, check the dates or at least make guesses and connect the time of when I was promoted back to Crew member and the dates of all the other Council threads after that. I also worked on an RPG, personally and by myself, that took me at least a week to finish. And the last point here is what I personally have told Kage, herself, that I would remain as active as I possibly could in the Council.
2.) Leadership: Another such point that has been mentioned to me, personally by Redd is regarding my “leadership.” This is a bit ambiguous to me, but I will mention points of leadership as I understand it. I have asked continuously from GladexDeraxCloud and Tystra to do things for me, such as splitting up the prosthetic projects with Dakota and Kage and Tystra about times when we’d be meeting each other in RP. I also recall disciplining a member of Squad 11 for bugging Kage. If that’s not leadership, I don’t know what is.


Is this what you wish for me to post up to the council? Or would you like me to post this entire pm up for them to see?

Now wait, I have three more and yeah, I'd like for you to post up the entire PM if you'd like to.

3.) Enforcing Rules: This point is somewhat more understandable than the leadership point, but still, I have little idea what Redd means here so I’ll go by how I understand it. I have reminded GladexDeraxCloud about the rules and what you should or should not do. As such, that is rule enforcement, although that may be not what Redd is talking about.
4.) Number of members in Squad 12: Redd has mentioned the number of members in my Squad weren’t sufficient. I’m not sure what he means here, but I guess he means I did not get enough people in it for Squad activity. I have personally asked GladexDeraxCloud and Robotic Ziamat to join my squad (even though Robotic Ziamat did not join my squad) as well as Tystra if he was interested and he agreed to join through storytelling. 3 members may not be huge, but then again, most newcomers are mostly going to Squads other Squad 12, really, and there aren’t many friends that are Bleach fans, so I was kind of in a tough position here.
5.) The reason for my performance, overall: The biggest reason for my performance is because I was stuck in Montana with a family that loves to start drama, personal life problems like my good friend dying from a brain tumor, and the fact I had bad connection while over there. If I was not able to do certain things it was because of those three biggest limitations on me, personally, which made it difficult for me to post.


Alright is this everything? I'll post the entire thing up.

Yeah thats everything.
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:30 pm


Enshara, both of you seemed to misunderstand why he was taken out of his spot.

1. It was not activity in the council that kept him from getting Captain, it was the fact that when he did vote, he mostly abstained, never really have an opinion.

2.Leadership was not a problem this time.

3.Actually this was aimed at Sendo, not at other people.

4. Numbers of squad members. I have to say, that He had more members in his squad than I currently do. (I only have 2 and I'm the only active one.)

5. I understand the reason for lack of activity as I have discussed with him.

The main reason he did not get to keep it was because he was inexpirenced in the guild. Most people that get Captainship soon after they join are the ones that have been in the guild before and know how to do what is needed. We are not saying this is his only chance to become captain. He has more chances, he just needs to learn more about the guild.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:32 pm


I am not misunderstanding and this situation is not about me. I posted this for him.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:57 pm


I never said anything to him about his squad not having enough guild members, I currently don't have a single member in my squad, lol.

Now when it came to his council activity and his leadership problems I only took in the official information that has been listed by a large majority of members that have spoken about such things.

In all truth I have nothing against him, but it was the council's vote to remove him from his captain position, which was made into a tie where as seen I had to preform a random number vote to make things end with a yes or no.


And of course he has another chance to get a captain position, he has broke n now rules to get him removed from the position. So at any time when he thinks he can take the captain's spot back, yes it will be open to vote. However this will need to be a discussion by "all" council members, and not just six of them making a vote of half and half yes and no.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:51 pm


Oi, oi... An appeal? Well I applaud his bravery for attempting such a thing, for I don't think anyone else really tried this before... or at least no one I can think of. However my answer still stands... Although I will give my two cents to his replies.

1.) I agree with Kage on his first matter, involving Council Activity. Although he was active as much as he possibly could, he never really made any input what-so-ever in the discussions. Whether he lacked the information about the subject or simply didn't care, his votes were as if he didn't vote at all and just wanted to make an appearance so as to appease those who had previously told him to be more active in the Council.
2.) His second point was about leadership, where he explains telling others to do work for him, talking about rping and where he would post next, and telling someone to leave someone else alone... Apparently he doesn't know what leadership is. The last part was simply being a friend, or above all else, a good act, while the second was just being active... The first part I can see as him identifying that as leadership, but that isn't leadership... A true leader leads by example. So if one does nothing, they can only expect their followers to do nothing as well.. that is if that person has gained enough respect from them. His squad was messy, so he expected someone else to clean up after him?
3.) Well, I'm actually not sure what Sendo meant by this but by reading what Kage posted, I'm sure that he had broken some type of rule, I believe it might've had something to do with the inventions in the past...
4.) As for this, this is preposterous. Redd would not kick a captain out of their position just because of the amount of members that are in the squad. Personally, I had zero when I was made captain, and had none until just recently.. and even so, only have one. So I'm not sure if Sendo is lieing or misinterpreting what he was told.
5.) And I suppose I can understand this, but was anyone told? Personally, if I was going to have major activity problems, I'd either bring this up before I take leave or post it up in an appropriate forum. I don't mean to sound like a d**k but his full Captainship was to be voted on from his activity, squad layout, and general performance. If there was anything that could have effected this, he should've mentioned this beforehand. I feel bad for his loss, I too lost a dear friend just a few weeks ago so I can see how he feels, but I don't think that excuses him either. If someone can't do the job, then it's safe to say that we should find someone who can.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:47 pm


Once either, this matter is closed or I'm told a message to give to him, I will not be telling him of what is being said here.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:04 pm


I don't think that I can contribute much to what has been said here. Redd, Kage and Zoro have all made points that I would have made. I agree with Zoro, asking for an appeal on a council vote took great courage and I think, Enshara, you should commend him on that.

One major thing that stood out to me whilst reading his PM was the fact that he commented on the 'not having enough members'. It is ludicrous to think that one would be removed from a Captain's post for such a thing. It is only natural that some squads will be more popular than others and, I would be actually fairly surprised if Redd had suggested such a thing to him since it would have been unfair. I, like Zoro, only have 1 member who's on-off active. If we were working on a 'if you don't have the members you don't keep your seat' system than I can almost guarantee that there would be no Captains.

As regards not telling him what's said here, I do not understand the point of getting you to deal with his appeal if you are not willing to communicate to him what is being said. It defeats the purpose of having an appeal at all...
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:19 am


I never stated I would never inform him. I am waiting to see if others wish to speak on the matter. Pretty much the whole council that voted on this original topic, to speak on the matter. Before I inform him on what has been said. That way I'm not sending him a message every hour or so just to update him on this.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:21 am


Well this thread has basically become dead and no votes of him going back up to captain are coming up so I will go ahead and close the discussion.
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