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Questionable Shapeshifter
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 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:05 pm
Starting with the very basics, who are the God and Goddess? The God has many titles: The Lord of Light, Lord of the Hunt, Lord of the Dance, The Horned man, The Green Man, just to name a few. We can see the first images of him in prehistoric hunting rites in which mimicries of a successful hunt were preformed in hopes of making an actual hunt successful. I'm sure you have all seen depictions of primitive man wearing animal hides and antlers as a part of these rituals. This coincides with the modern image of the God as the Horned Man. Now as this is one of the images of the God that causes the most trouble let me clear something up right form the start. The Horned Man is NOT a reference to Lucifer. As a matter of fact the image of Lucifer with horns is itself erroneous. The original text describes him as having a halo or aura around his head, remember he was a fallen angel. This was intentionally mistranslated to meaning horns during the spread of Christianity across Europe in an effort to draw a comparison between the two. It seems the gods of the old religion are always destined to became the demons of the new one. The Goddess is often refered to as the triple or triune Goddess in reference to her three forms, the maiden, mother and crone. This refers to the three stages of a woman's life. The Goddess is all at once the freshness and beauty of youth, the caring a nurturing of motherhood, and the wisdom and experience of age. Stone “talismans” depicting a very pregnant female form have been found and some belief them to be depictions of the Goddess mother aspect. Of course these primitive roots bare little resemblance to modern Wicca. And, it is obviously impossible to trace the history all the way back to these primitive seeds conclusively, however the similarities are strong enough on which to base a reasonable assumption. Primitive man had two main concerns, feeding the current generation and creating the next one. Towards these ends he worshiped a god of the hunt and a goddess of fertility. This fits the most basic definitions of the images modern Wiccans hold of the deities today. I will try to edit this with supporting links and images as I can find them. Next time we'll go into what forms of worship go into modern Wicca. Thanks fro reading, and please pose any questions so that this thread can be used to help you find answers. PEACE, LOVE AND MAGIC vwytche Here it is http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=21727327
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:38 pm
vwytche This coincides with the modern image of the God as the Horned Man. Now as this is one of the images of the God that causes the most trouble let me clear something up right form the start. The Horned Man is NOT a reference to Lucifer. As a matter of fact the image of Lucifer with horns is itself erroneous. The original text describes him as having a halo or aura around his head, remember he was a fallen angel. This was intentionally mistranslated to meaning horns during the spread of Christianity across Europe in an effort to draw a comparison between the two. It seems the gods of the old religion are always destined to became the demons of the new one. This is interesting, although, not surprising considering what I have read in regards to the reference to the snake in the bible being an allegory representing a Babylonian God, but I really don't know if I put much stock in that. Honestly, I always thought the association came from a sort of melding of my ancestor's (the vikings) beliefs regarding Loki and the Hebrew context of Satan to make it more understandable for the western culture. But then again, it wouldn't really surprise me if that's the message they were trying to convey. Seems a bit of a far cry of his original description as a beautiful creature.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:28 pm
Drizzt88 vwytche This coincides with the modern image of the God as the Horned Man. Now as this is one of the images of the God that causes the most trouble let me clear something up right form the start. The Horned Man is NOT a reference to Lucifer. As a matter of fact the image of Lucifer with horns is itself erroneous. The original text describes him as having a halo or aura around his head, remember he was a fallen angel. This was intentionally mistranslated to meaning horns during the spread of Christianity across Europe in an effort to draw a comparison between the two. It seems the gods of the old religion are always destined to became the demons of the new one. This is interesting, although, not surprising considering what I have read in regards to the reference to the snake in the bible being an allegory representing a Babylonian God, but I really don't know if I put much stock in that. Honestly, I always thought the association came from a sort of melding of my ancestor's (the vikings) beliefs regarding Loki and the Hebrew context of Satan to make it more understandable for the western culture. But then again, it wouldn't really surprise me if that's the message they were trying to convey. Seems a bit of a far cry of his original description as a beautiful creature. There was alot of cultural blending that went on, and I don't know exactly what happened b/c I wasn't there hiding behind a tree. Anyhting I post will come with the diclaimer "to the best of my knowledge". I want everyone to feel free to join in with new info and question b/c I am here not just to teach, but to learn.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:30 pm
vwytche Drizzt88 vwytche This coincides with the modern image of the God as the Horned Man. Now as this is one of the images of the God that causes the most trouble let me clear something up right form the start. The Horned Man is NOT a reference to Lucifer. As a matter of fact the image of Lucifer with horns is itself erroneous. The original text describes him as having a halo or aura around his head, remember he was a fallen angel. This was intentionally mistranslated to meaning horns during the spread of Christianity across Europe in an effort to draw a comparison between the two. It seems the gods of the old religion are always destined to became the demons of the new one. This is interesting, although, not surprising considering what I have read in regards to the reference to the snake in the bible being an allegory representing a Babylonian God, but I really don't know if I put much stock in that. Honestly, I always thought the association came from a sort of melding of my ancestor's (the vikings) beliefs regarding Loki and the Hebrew context of Satan to make it more understandable for the western culture. But then again, it wouldn't really surprise me if that's the message they were trying to convey. Seems a bit of a far cry of his original description as a beautiful creature. There was alot of cultural blending that went on, and I don't know exactly what happened b/c I wasn't there hiding behind a tree. Anyhting I post will come with the diclaimer "to the best of my knowledge". I want everyone to feel free to join in with new info and question b/c I am here not just to teach, but to learn. That's just my theory as well, though it does make sense from what you're saying. I have done a lot of research on my ancestors and take very great pride in them, so I was merely sharing my knowledge, lol. I would go further into it but I don't really want to get off topic.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:34 pm
Drizzt88 vwytche Drizzt88 vwytche This coincides with the modern image of the God as the Horned Man. Now as this is one of the images of the God that causes the most trouble let me clear something up right form the start. The Horned Man is NOT a reference to Lucifer. As a matter of fact the image of Lucifer with horns is itself erroneous. The original text describes him as having a halo or aura around his head, remember he was a fallen angel. This was intentionally mistranslated to meaning horns during the spread of Christianity across Europe in an effort to draw a comparison between the two. It seems the gods of the old religion are always destined to became the demons of the new one. This is interesting, although, not surprising considering what I have read in regards to the reference to the snake in the bible being an allegory representing a Babylonian God, but I really don't know if I put much stock in that. Honestly, I always thought the association came from a sort of melding of my ancestor's (the vikings) beliefs regarding Loki and the Hebrew context of Satan to make it more understandable for the western culture. But then again, it wouldn't really surprise me if that's the message they were trying to convey. Seems a bit of a far cry of his original description as a beautiful creature. There was alot of cultural blending that went on, and I don't know exactly what happened b/c I wasn't there hiding behind a tree. Anyhting I post will come with the diclaimer "to the best of my knowledge". I want everyone to feel free to join in with new info and question b/c I am here not just to teach, but to learn. That's just my theory as well, though it does make sense from what you're saying. I have done a lot of research on my ancestors and take very great pride in them, so I was merely sharing my knowledge, lol. I would go further into it but I don't really want to get off topic. Go ahead and start your own thread. Bear is an Asatru and may have some input on this.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:57 pm
Merry meet, just a random question, ive read that you should follow what gods and goddesses seem to stand out to you, but is it ok to blend them from different cultures like celtic and greek? blessed be, argintmoon question
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:17 am
Argintmoon Merry meet, just a random question, ive read that you should follow what gods and goddesses seem to stand out to you, but is it ok to blend them from different cultures like celtic and greek? blessed be, argintmoon question The Devine go by many names and titles. What is is, and not every culture was goning to have the same image of them. The point of ECLECTIC Wicca is that you are free to include what works for you. The touchstone is, 'Does this feel right to your heart." Remember the purpose of TRUE religion is to build a relationship with the Devine and fill a need in your life, not to do a bunch of rituals in "just the right way" b/c those are the rules. The Devine is much more interested in you as the person you were born to be than part of a herd that is repeating the same old rhetoric. You should be to. biggrin
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:45 am
Argintmoon Merry meet, just a random question, ive read that you should follow what gods and goddesses seem to stand out to you, but is it ok to blend them from different cultures like celtic and greek? blessed be, argintmoon question The Romans did it and it worked alright for them. I believe that whatever power created the universe created it in infinite diversity, that being said I believe that the creator is also diverse in the same manner. I was raised to believe that all God's children have a different view of the divine and only by combining all those views could you come up with the complete and accurate image. (They were speaking of the various Christian denominations but I have taken it a step farther to include various pagan and heathens views as well.)
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:50 pm
merry meet,
good afternoon, thank ypu for the help, this was very usefull, ive been interested in wicca for a very long time but thanks to insane christian ex bf i had to throw away my books and tools, so im basicaly starting from scratch sad
Blessed be
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:33 am
Argintmoon merry meet, good afternoon, thank ypu for the help, this was very usefull, ive been interested in wicca for a very long time but thanks to insane christian ex bf i had to throw away my books and tools, so im basicaly starting from scratch sad Blessed be That's sad, well I hope you can follow your heart and get back into it, the world needs more good witches (wicca). Next time pick a more open minded b/f
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:41 pm
vwytche Argintmoon Merry meet, just a random question, ive read that you should follow what gods and goddesses seem to stand out to you, but is it ok to blend them from different cultures like celtic and greek? blessed be, argintmoon question The Devine go by many names and titles. What is is, and not every culture was goning to have the same image of them. The point of ECLECTIC Wicca is that you are free to include what works for you. The touchstone is, 'Does this feel right to your heart." Remember the purpose of TRUE religion is to build a relationship with the Devine and fill a need in your life, not to do a bunch of rituals in "just the right way" b/c those are the rules. The Devine is much more interested in you as the person you were born to be than part of a herd that is repeating the same old rhetoric. You should be to. biggrin I could NOT agree more!
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:18 pm
Argintmoon merry meet, good afternoon, thank ypu for the help, this was very usefull, ive been interested in wicca for a very long time but thanks to insane christian ex bf i had to throw away my books and tools, so im basicaly starting from scratch sad Blessed be Ouch, sorry to hear about that. Best of luck in your journey for knowledge though and remember, we Christians are not all insane!
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:12 pm
Drizzt88 Argintmoon merry meet, good afternoon, thank ypu for the help, this was very usefull, ive been interested in wicca for a very long time but thanks to insane christian ex bf i had to throw away my books and tools, so im basicaly starting from scratch sad Blessed be Ouch, sorry to hear about that. Best of luck in your journey for knowledge though and remember, we Christians are not all insane! Lol not all are, but some are scary, lol i went to a church once and old ppl where havin sezures!!! i never went back lol
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:00 pm
Argintmoon Drizzt88 Argintmoon merry meet, good afternoon, thank ypu for the help, this was very usefull, ive been interested in wicca for a very long time but thanks to insane christian ex bf i had to throw away my books and tools, so im basicaly starting from scratch sad Blessed be Ouch, sorry to hear about that. Best of luck in your journey for knowledge though and remember, we Christians are not all insane! Lol not all are, but some are scary, lol i went to a church once and old ppl where havin sezures!!! i never went back lol What you were witnessing was probably something we call "speaking in tongues." It is something that usually occurs when someone is filled with the "holy spirit." People experience it differently, some people are rather vocal or theatrical.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:19 pm
Drizzt88 Argintmoon Drizzt88 Argintmoon merry meet, good afternoon, thank ypu for the help, this was very usefull, ive been interested in wicca for a very long time but thanks to insane christian ex bf i had to throw away my books and tools, so im basicaly starting from scratch sad Blessed be Ouch, sorry to hear about that. Best of luck in your journey for knowledge though and remember, we Christians are not all insane! Lol not all are, but some are scary, lol i went to a church once and old ppl where havin sezures!!! i never went back lol What you were witnessing was probably something we call "speaking in tongues." It is something that usually occurs when someone is filled with the "holy spirit." People experience it differently, some people are rather vocal or theatrical. It sounds like an apostolic church like the Church of God. The vast amount of churches are not that... lively.
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