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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:34 am


Never Stop Dreaming. . .

When I was younger, I astounded my teachers with my ability to excell and learn quickly. I was reading picture books to myself in kindergarten and I was reading Manga and novels and by first grade. I even excelled in math- I knew my 10, 5, and 6 multiplication tables before first grade. All through elementary, I was on the honor roll and all my classmates went to me for help. And then....I hit fifth grade. In fifth grade I moved and my era of depression started. I didn't care about school or just about anything else. I didn't pay attention and I slept in class. As a result, I didn't learn anything. This continued all throughout middle school and the beginning of high school. And now, even though I care now- I can't help but getting the feeling that it's too late. Will I ever excel like I used to?

So, the topic:
How intelligent were you when your a kid? How intelligent are you now?
What is intelligence? And can it be lost just as easily as it is gained?


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Administrative Edit: Conversely, how do you think that intelligence can be quantified and measured? Is there any way to do so? What are your thoughts on the very nature of intelligence?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:00 am


I was so much less intelligent as a child, though it could be that my intelligence was simply tempered by massive immaturity. I do see a correlation, in any case. Others around me, mostly teachers often remarked on my perceived intellect, but I am forced to wonder why. It is clear, in any case, that I always looked at things differently.
As for how intelligent I am now... I believe that you all know me well enough and a simple perusing of nearly any thread here should give you a fair idea of my metal abilities. I may be slightly more given to humility now than some time ago, but all else aside, I feel it best to let you make that decision rather than to make it for you. I already have my own estimation of my intellect and others seem to collaborate it.
Intelligence isn't what you know. It is how apt you are to learn and to figure things out. Testing knowledge is typically regarded as a fair way of testing knowledge, because if one is given a decent education then they are believed to know certain things. Make no mistake, however; intelligence is more than just retention.
Intelligence cannot so much be "lost." An inactive mind will become less alert, certainly, and thus less able to learn, but with a regular workout (just like any other muscle) the brain can once again become more able, or even "fit," if you will. The only real way that I can speak to that one can "lose" intelligence is with the entropy of old age. This is rather an over-simplified way of looking at things, however. "Gaining" intelligence is much the same. Keeping an active mind (be it with an education, puzzles, intellectual games, or the like) will certainly set you ahead of one's peers who did not have the same thing.
Granted, I do feel that there are other factors involved. There are certain foods that a mother can eat while pregnant that are believed the raise or lower post-natal brain activity, and I feel that the effects of coming from an environment where intelligence is revered, respected, and personally encouraged should be rather evident in the effects that it typically has on an individual. Mainly, being intelligent is almost as much a choice as it is a happenstance.

As for what you're experiencing, it often happens that a sort of evening-out of intellects (or at least academic performances) occurs. Some children are far more prepared for education in the early years than others. Let's not deny, however, that (to put it in simplest terms) kindergarten and first grade especially tends to be remarkably easy, even for kindergarteners and first graders. It's as much for the sake of getting kids that small out of the house, used to the routine, and among their peers as it is about actual learning.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:13 am


I dont think i can measure my intelligence level as a child. Didnt care much for school until I hit college really. Dont recall any particular problem learning other than my refusal to do homework.

As for intelligence now. When my mind is clear and my memory is working I do alright. However when my memory issues occur I dont remember the things I have learned and have trouble understanding things that I normally would be able to. So i dunno.

I do agree that mental stimulation through puzzles and such is a good way to help your brain. Though I also think continuing to learn is also important. Sometimes there is the idea that there isnt anything left to learn or explore because someone else did that already. Personally, I feel we should find out answers ourselves go to that place and explore it ourselves. Basically experiencing these things.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:03 am


Eh, my intelligence has never really worried me. I'm of above average, but not insane intelligence, and school was never too hard for me. Learning is my element, but it's more historical and literary, rather than mathematical or scientific. Admittedly I'm relatively proficient with my biology and my chemistry, but physics has always stumped me. Even now my friends come to me for help, and we're at university now. I always remember in my final year of highschool, my best friend always used to copy my work. Towards the end of the year, I decided to shield my art history work, and the teacher told me to play nice, because if my best friend couldn't copy my work, then she wouldn't pass her exams.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:48 am


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Eh, my intelligence has never really worried me. I'm of above average, but not insane intelligence, and school was never too hard for me. Learning is my element, but it's more historical and literary, rather than mathematical or scientific. Admittedly I'm relatively proficient with my biology and my chemistry, but physics has always stumped me. Even now my friends come to me for help, and we're at university now. I always remember in my final year of highschool, my best friend always used to copy my work. Towards the end of the year, I decided to shield my art history work, and the teacher told me to play nice, because if my best friend couldn't copy my work, then she wouldn't pass her exams.

Your teacher not only allowed plagiarism but encouraged it?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:56 am


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Eh, my intelligence has never really worried me. I'm of above average, but not insane intelligence, and school was never too hard for me. Learning is my element, but it's more historical and literary, rather than mathematical or scientific. Admittedly I'm relatively proficient with my biology and my chemistry, but physics has always stumped me. Even now my friends come to me for help, and we're at university now. I always remember in my final year of highschool, my best friend always used to copy my work. Towards the end of the year, I decided to shield my art history work, and the teacher told me to play nice, because if my best friend couldn't copy my work, then she wouldn't pass her exams.

Your teacher not only allowed plagiarism but encouraged it?

When it came to revising and general notes, yes. When it came to exams and assignments, no. Pao's Art History notes looked almost identical to mine during Year 13.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:25 am


sweatdrop I remember I managed to get an A- on an assignment about the human brain for the really dumb science class
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:37 pm


I was always considered to be gifted. I started reading when I was three years old, and I was reading my brother's high school lit assignments when I was in third grade. I was exceedingly verbose, and I spent nearly all of my time reading as a child. This is not to say that I didn't do well in math and science class, as I did, with the exception of high school physics, but I am much more interested in literature and language arts.

In college, we were only allowed to take four classes during fall semester of freshman year, and I was bored out of my mind. For most of my college career, I took six or seven classes, receiving As or Bs in nearly all of them.

So, I was always able to receive good marks in classes. I'm book-smart. I have little to no common sense. I never question how things work. I hate hands-on learning. I would much rather sit down and be asked to write an essay than be asked to perform an experiment. Does this make me any less intelligent than an engineer? I don't think so. I simply have a different type of intelligence.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:25 am


SakuraTheBlueTiger
sweatdrop I remember I managed to get an A- on an assignment about the human brain for the really dumb science class


This may be irrelevant but my friend's mother is OBSESSED with nureo-science.(sp?)



Krissi-Chaos
Eh, my intelligence has never really worried me. I'm of above average, but not insane intelligence, and school was never too hard for me. Learning is my element, but it's more historical and literary, rather than mathematical or scientific. Admittedly I'm relatively proficient with my biology and my chemistry, but physics has always stumped me. Even now my friends come to me for help, and we're at university now. I always remember in my final year of highschool, my best friend always used to copy my work. Towards the end of the year, I decided to shield my art history work, and the teacher told me to play nice, because if my best friend couldn't copy my work, then she wouldn't pass her exams.



Oh, but intelligence is one of the most important things in my life. It's one of the few things that actually makes it onto my priority list.
In kindergarten, I hated everyone and ignored them. I had a snooty outlook on life and I thought all the other kids were so stupid.
In elementary, I didn't let htem copy- ever. I always taught them. And now here I am, being the one who needs to be taught xD.
When you really look at it, it's rather stuck up. My closest friends and I refuse to associate with anyone we think pf as lower in intelligence. A flaw I should work on '>.>



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I was always considered to be gifted. I started reading when I was three years old, and I was reading my brother's high school lit assignments when I was in third grade. I was exceedingly verbose, and I spent nearly all of my time reading as a child. This is not to say that I didn't do well in math and science class, as I did, with the exception of high school physics, but I am much more interested in literature and language arts.

In college, we were only allowed to take four classes during fall semester of freshman year, and I was bored out of my mind. For most of my college career, I took six or seven classes, receiving As or Bs in nearly all of them.

So, I was always able to receive good marks in classes. I'm book-smart. I have little to no common sense. I never question how things work. I hate hands-on learning. I would much rather sit down and be asked to write an essay than be asked to perform an experiment. Does this make me any less intelligent than an engineer? I don't think so. I simply have a different type of intelligence.


I love hands-on learning. That is an excellent point. But I think I missed to many core lessons in earlier middle school to truly understand High school math. Yes, it's mainly math and reading. I have never gotten lower than a B in language arts and science is alright.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:35 am


I'm considered to be rather intelligent. Though I have trouble with schoolwork, which is largely due to shear laziness. As a child I was always top of my class in all of my classes. I had always held straight A's, and did all of the extra work regardless. I was spoken to as if I were an adult from the very moment of my birth. I was not only reading when I was but a toddler, but also playing many video games. (The first of which being Resident Evil).
During Middle School I hit a deep depression. I lost all interest in most everything, especially my education. This went on for a little over a year, eventually I was left with no choice but to drop out of public school and begin home schooling. As it is extremely difficult to motivate yourself or get any sort of help when you are being taught from home, my education suffered. For 2 years in fact.
I do not believe I have lost any of my knowledge nor do I believe that to be possible. I simply feel as if I had missed out on my education. Do I believe I could be more intelligent if I had not hit my depression? Yes, I do.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:18 am


SakuraTheBlueTiger
sweatdrop I remember I managed to get an A- on an assignment about the human brain for the really dumb science class

When I was in Year 10, I was accidentally put in the bottom stream for science, and my teacher was incredibly angry about it. It took them half the year to fix their mistake, and I went from being the top student in the bottom class (which really meant that I could tell the difference between a picture of a plant/animal/virus cell and an atom), to being a mid-top student in the most advanced class. My teacher was really pleased, and he showed me my progress in my book - it went from being completely doodled in to being nice and neat and tidy, because I was doing work that took me the correct amount of time, rather than taking five minutes to do an entire class worth of work.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:28 pm


I never really put much thought into measuring my intelligence. I always did well in school, receiving multiple awards and making the honor roll. I was also inducted into the National Honor Society though I never went to any of their meetings. Languages and literature were my strongest subjects but I did well in all my classes. (Well, other than Honors Geometry but that was because the teacher was half-deaf and smelled terrible so I refused to ask for help when I needed it. He got way to close for comfort any time you had to talk to him.) I know I have lost a lot of what I learned in school from lack of use but I'm a quick learner so I know if I needed to get it back I would be able to fairly easily with just a bit of review. My curiosity is easily piqued and I enjoy learning new things so if being intelligent is having the ability and the desire to learn then I suppose I am.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:09 pm


It really saddens me to see people so tethered as this to the idea that academics is the same thing as intelligence. Education, especially high school education, is only tangentially related to ones actual level of intelligence.
I have gotten mediocre grades for most of my life yet I am known, by most of the people that I choose to associate with, as one of the more intelligent members (if not the most intelligent) in the group. The majority of my friends, even those who are older and sometimes even more educated (which will unfortunately be most of them, considering my situation in college) concede to my intellectual standing.
Don't get me wrong: Education is a wonderful thing and one of the most surefire ways of improving yourself. An educated human being is generally more valuable in every significant way than an uneducated one, but most of you seem to be forgetting three things.
Firstly, your grades are more about your drive and work ethic. Even a fool could attain an "A" average with enough dedication. The only time I ever really hit a wall in my education was in some of the mid to late mathematics courses (Geometry and the latest levels of Algebra, namely). I willingly admit my poor ability there, though if you see mathematics as the only measure of intelligence than I welcome you all to equate my lack of intelligence as being tantamount to Albert Einstein.
Secondly, knowledge is not intelligence. They are two different but related things. Knowledge is what you know and intelligence is not only your ability to learn but your keenness in figuring things out, deduction, and reasoning.
Thirdly, education is not relegated solely to a classroom. If the only important things that you learned in college were what was on the curriculum, then in my opinion your education was incomplete and a failure.
It would be saddening to see a vapid rattling off of one's academic credentials in a knowledge thread, but this is a thread pertaining to intelligence. Such things are barely even pertinent here.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:43 pm


That's true and while I don't think education and intelligence are the same thing I do think that intelligent people tend to be the ones who more often strive for education, not just as a means to an end but because they genuinely want to expand their minds. That said, I thought about it for quite awhile and just couldn't think of a way to measure intelligence, knowledge is easy to measure but I think intelligence is more internal, less what you think and more how you think which makes it much less quantifiable. In any case that's why I chose to use education as a measure for intelligence, it's not very accurate but it was the best I could come up with.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:24 pm


Intelligence cannot so much be measured, at least not through any arbitrary means, but it is relatively easy to gauge when you get to know someone. Here it gets tricky and requires that the one gauging must be unusually astute.
There is being smart and then there is similarly appearing to be smart. Those who merely appear to be smart simply know good grammar, use proper diction, and have a relatively sizable if not vocabulary at their command. Not only that, but they use these esoteric words properly. Those who are of an unusually high intelligence may use simple or larger words to convey complex ideas.
The waters are muddier still, though. There are very few people who are gifted in all or even most areas. Throughout history it would be very difficult to find a genius who was not as crippled in some areas he/she was brilliant in others.
Furthermore those who are most often remembered by history and celebrated as geniuses are simply people who see things differently. It's not necessarily a matter of better or worse, only different and from that different viewpoint, some solutions or, in this case, innovations, are simply the only logical solution, or at least the most readily reached ones.
Intelligence is incredibly complex; much more so than many initially realize.
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