Beware, our enemies abound!

[Intermundia]

http://kasamaproject.org/2011/01/10/know-your-enemy-case-study-of-an-infiltrator/


The story is about an agent provocateur whom worked with Green activists for years and supplied the cops with information about their activities. Comrades, it is imperative that you educate yourselves about these monsters if you ever decide (and you should) to get involved in the movement.  

[The Curse]

Yeah these infiltrators. they are EVERYWHERE. You never know who they are. Could be ANYONE.

Luckily, I'm here. A loyal hound ready to sniff out all traitors.  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

Curse: i c whut u did thar

As I said there:

We can never avoid police infiltration. It is always safe to assume that any one person in your group could be a cop. However, for well organised groups, this will not matter. They will be careful to frame discussions in a way what nothing illegal isadvocated unless necessary, and where all members, in accordance with bolshevism, are put to work for the party. So even if a cop reaches the highest levels of the party, as happened to the Bolsheviks, party discipline means that while they work for the cops, they are also doing party work.

This is why it is important, for party security, for revolutionists to avoid doing stupid illegal s**t. We may be in favour of legalising drugs, but to actually use them is to invite repression. I’m sure everyone can extrapolate the other necessary examples.  

[Reverend MacManus]

The Curse

Yeah these infiltrators. they are EVERYWHERE. You never know who they are. Could be ANYONE.

Luckily, I'm here. A loyal hound ready to sniff out all traitors.

+1

More seriously, I'll read the link at a later time and post my thoughts on it. Sounds like it could be interesting and entertaining for a short time.  

[Upper-cut_flash]

Since we're on the subject, my sources indicate that the "Communist Voice Organization" is an FBI plant. I can't be 100 percent sure that this is this is the case, but I thought I'd throw that out there for everyone's benefit.  

[Reverend MacManus]

Upper-cut_flash

Since we're on the subject, my sources indicate that the "Communist Voice Organization" is an FBI plant. I can't be 100 percent sure that this is this is the case, but I thought I'd throw that out there for everyone's benefit.

Since this is all new to me, what makes this organization so special? And what, if any, Communist organization is trustworthy in the U.S.?  

[Aerliniel]

It was an interesting article, quite nice. Like the one you posted several months ago.

Gracchia Blanqui

So even if a cop reaches the highest levels of the party, party discipline means that while they work for the cops, they are also doing party work.

I disagree. They can prove useful for some time, but while they can be doing work for the sake of their mission there isn't anything as damaging as a triator (infiltrator & similar I add to this). Having someone that can stab you on youur back can only damage an organisation, that supposing that they will produce work as good as the other members (which they wouldn't since they aren't actual "believers"). Infiltrators cannot be avoided and will naturally appear after some time, but the most important thing to do is to locate them and kick them out as soon as possible. The same will go for triators. A group will only be successful if the people in it work hard to achieve it's aims and believe truly in them. A group with people who don't believe in it's aims will not be successful, in the same way that a body infested with germs, no matter how unharmful they seem, iwill not be able to do work at it's highest level.

Aer ☭

 

[Intermundia]

Herr Wulf

Upper-cut_flash

Since we're on the subject, my sources indicate that the "Communist Voice Organization" is an FBI plant. I can't be 100 percent sure that this is this is the case, but I thought I'd throw that out there for everyone's benefit.

Since this is all new to me, what makes this organization so special? And what, if any, Communist organization is trustworthy in the U.S.?

There is no revolutionary organisation you can join that isn't being monitored. As Gracchia has pointed out, democratic centralism is a pretty good safeguard against destroying the integrity of the party, but it can't stop them from getting information on you and, if one isn't cautious, can lead to an arrest.  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

General Aerlinniel

It was an interesting article, quite nice. Like the one you posted several months ago.

Gracchia Blanqui

So even if a cop reaches the highest levels of the party, party discipline means that while they work for the cops, they are also doing party work.

I disagree. They can prove useful for some time, but while they can be doing work for the sake of their mission there isn't anything as damaging as a triator (infiltrator & similar I add to this). Having someone that can stab you on youur back can only damage an organisation, that supposing that they will produce work as good as the other members (which they wouldn't since they aren't actual "believers"). Infiltrators cannot be avoided and will naturally appear after some time, but the most important thing to do is to locate them and kick them out as soon as possible. The same will go for triators. A group will only be successful if the people in it work hard to achieve it's aims and believe truly in them. A group with people who don't believe in it's aims will not be successful, in the same way that a body infested with germs, no matter how unharmful they seem, iwill not be able to do work at it's highest level.

Aer ☭

I'll only point to that cop who got way high in the Bolsheviks. He had to be eloquent, in order to fool everyone, and if he wasn't to be kicked out of the party as a diletante, he had to do his party work. So eventually he was actually in the leadership of the bolshevik faction. When he was discovered, Lenin simply didn't believe it because of all the good work he'd done in agitation, in organisation, and in the Duma.

That was possible precisely because of democratic centralism, which demands that everyone in the party do party work.

If someone is discovered to be a cop, then of course they need to be kicked, and precautions need to be taken against giving the cops anything they can use against us. But asside from relatively simply security measures, the best thing we have is democratic centralism, which demands that if they are going to infiltrate the party, they have to be productive.  

[xX Lei Feng Xx]

What does Inflitators do in Communist World?  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

While I remember:

In Left-Wing Communsm, Lenin

...in 1912 the agent provocateur Malinovsky got into the Bolshevik Central Committee. He betrayed scores and scores of the best and most loyal comrades, caused them to be sentenced to penal servitude, and hastened the death of many of them. That he did not cause still greater harm was due to the correct balance between legal and illegal work. As member of the Party’s Central Committee and Duma deputy, Malinovsky was forced, in order to gain our confidence, to help us establish legal daily papers, which even under tsarism were able to wage a struggle against the Menshevik opportunism and to spread the fundamentals of Bolshevism in a suitably disguised form. While, with one hand, Malinovsky sent scores and scores of the finest Bolsheviks to penal servitude and death, he was obliged, with the other, to assist in the education of scores and scores of thousands of new Bolsheviks through the medium of the legal press.

My bold.  

[Herobane]

I lol'd  

[divineseraph]

Wait... what's the problem here? Unless you're trying to organize violent opposition and raids, which are counterproductive anyway, why would it matter if a cop joined the group? Even if to spy? You have the right to gather, you have the right to protest, and you're not even really doing either. If you're not planning to kill someone or blow something up, then they'll just be another working body. So what?  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

divineseraph

Wait... what's the problem here? Unless you're trying to organize violent opposition and raids, which are counterproductive anyway, why would it matter if a cop joined the group? Even if to spy? You have the right to gather, you have the right to protest, and you're not even really doing either. If you're not planning to kill someone or blow something up, then they'll just be another working body. So what?

This is why it is important to make sure, in oarty meetings and informal party gatherings that silly jokes like my stuff about guillotines and whatnot are absent.

At the same time, agents provocateur can be very dangerous, as they are often the ones suggesting more extreme behaviour. in order to provoke leftists into doing stupid s**t.  

[Herobane]

He's funny