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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:59 pm
I hate alcohol and cigarettes because you can addicted to both and companys charge addicts more, it's for the money. Weed is more healthy, and can be eaten and does next to no damage, it's sad really.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:43 pm
On the contrary - if you look through the guild for past threads about harmful effects associated with longterm and short-term usage of smoking marijuana, there should be a few. And if there aren't any, Lorien and I can give you information. Heck, I can quote university-level notes at you listing all of the harmful effects that pot can do to the human body.
There's also at least one sticky in this subforum with information about how harmful marijuana can be.
Marijuana is the same as alcohol and nicotime and caffeine - they're all drugs, and they all have harmful effects on the human body. What they are depends on how much of the drug is being consumed, how often, the individual (since they affect each person a little differently), etc. Lots of factors to consider. But even though alcohol and cigarettes are legalized, they're still drugs, and they still have many harmful effects, both short and long term.
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:52 pm
Nikolita On the contrary - if you look through the guild for past threads about harmful effects associated with longterm and short-term usage of smoking marijuana, there should be a few. And if there aren't any, Lorien and I can give you information. Heck, I can quote university-level notes at you listing all of the harmful effects that pot can do to the human body. There's also at least one sticky in this subforum with information about how harmful marijuana can be. Marijuana is the same as alcohol and nicotime and caffeine - they're all drugs, and they all have harmful effects on the human body. What they are depends on how much of the drug is being consumed, how often, the individual (since they affect each person a little differently), etc. Lots of factors to consider. But even though alcohol and cigarettes are legalized, they're still drugs, and they still have many harmful effects, both short and long term. What negative side effects have been proven? I've seen studies disproving a lot of what I've read (non-biased studies, I might add) for negative side effects. Bottom line, people don't know, and as you said, there are lots of factors to consider. There's not enough good research out there. But, the study done in Jamaica on pregnant women using marijuana as medicine showed little to no effect, and what effect there was, wasn't negative. I'd say a baby in the womb has to be a lot more susceptible than a mature adult. It was a study that studied women who did and did not use marijuana in pregnancy and then studied how those children were effected not just after birth, but after years until those children were 15, if I remember correctly, but it may have been older, not positive on that. In Jamaica marijuana is a medicine used by Rastafarian religion, so that's why it was so easy for the scientist to do that study (she was American, and well-respected, I should add). It's just, I'm sorry, but I see very little definitive evidence that marijuana is "bad for you" unless you're an immature being smoking it yourself, or someone with pre-existing or hidden (like schizophrenia) mental disorders. Oh, we do know SMOKING anything causes some lung damage, but as the OP said, there are edibles, and I will add that there are vaporizers as well. But even then, studies recently have shown that people who smoke marijuana and cigarettes have significantly less lung damage than people who only smoke cigarettes, and likewise people who only smoke marijuana have even less damage. The scientist even thinks that marijuana may heal smoke damage from cigarettes.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:11 am
There are quite a number of harmful side effects, and marijuana has been shown to have a low yet non-negligible addiction potential, moderate to high dependence potential as well as causing withdrawal symptoms in heavy users ( Swift, Hall & Teeson, 2002). Moreover, it has been shown to correlate significantly with psychosis (e.g. Henquet et al., 2005). Additionally, it may worsen or engender psychotic symptoms in those predisposed to such disorders ( Degenhardt, Hall & Lynskey, 2003). Lastly, besides the well-documented deleterious effect on short-term executive functioning, heavy use has been linked to hippocampal and amgdalal abnormalities ( Yucel et al., 2008). Results are mixed on the causation of lung disease and cancer by cannabis alone, but initial studies have shown an increased risk of testicular cancer due to cannabis use ( Daling et al., 2009). There is also some evidence that cannabis use while pregnant may have adverse effects on the fetus ( Huizink & Mulder, 2005). On a side note, synthetic cannabinoids have much greater adverse effects associated with them ( Wells, 2011). Of course, there are areas that need much more research, such as on light-to-moderate users. There is also a lack of definitive consensus on the effects of cannabis and THC. As such, it is inane to claim that there are no negative effects associated with cannabis use. This is not to say that cannabis does not also have potential significant medicinal benefits as well. That being said, the abuse of a poorly-regulated system as well as chronic over-medication are two valid concerns.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:39 pm
Eruresto There are quite a number of harmful side effects, and marijuana has been shown to have a low yet non-negligible addiction potential, moderate to high dependence potential as well as causing withdrawal symptoms in heavy users ( Swift, Hall & Teeson, 2002). Moreover, it has been shown to correlate significantly with psychosis (e.g. Henquet et al., 2005). Additionally, it may worsen or engender psychotic symptoms in those predisposed to such disorders ( Degenhardt, Hall & Lynskey, 2003). Lastly, besides the well-documented deleterious effect on short-term executive functioning, heavy use has been linked to hippocampal and amgdalal abnormalities ( Yucel et al., 2008). Results are mixed on the causation of lung disease and cancer by cannabis alone, but initial studies have shown an increased risk of testicular cancer due to cannabis use ( Daling et al., 2009). There is also some evidence that cannabis use while pregnant may have adverse effects on the fetus ( Huizink & Mulder, 2005). On a side note, synthetic cannabinoids have much greater adverse effects associated with them ( Wells, 2011). Of course, there are areas that need much more research, such as on light-to-moderate users. There is also a lack of definitive consensus on the effects of cannabis and THC. As such, it is inane to claim that there are no negative effects associated with cannabis use. This is not to say that cannabis does not also have potential significant medicinal benefits as well. That being said, the abuse of a poorly-regulated system as well as chronic over-medication are two valid concerns. Thank you. I took an Addictions course as part of my degree, and have done lots of research on the topic in addition to what I learned from my professor. Much research is still needed, but there is still plenty of research showing that marijuana has plenty of side effects for some people. To say one or the other (that it either does or does) is too much of a generalization without more research. I have access to my alumni database, so like Eruresto, I can link research if you'd like to read more.
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:26 pm
Nikolita Eruresto There are quite a number of harmful side effects, and marijuana has been shown to have a low yet non-negligible addiction potential, moderate to high dependence potential as well as causing withdrawal symptoms in heavy users ( Swift, Hall & Teeson, 2002). Moreover, it has been shown to correlate significantly with psychosis (e.g. Henquet et al., 2005). Additionally, it may worsen or engender psychotic symptoms in those predisposed to such disorders ( Degenhardt, Hall & Lynskey, 2003). Lastly, besides the well-documented deleterious effect on short-term executive functioning, heavy use has been linked to hippocampal and amgdalal abnormalities ( Yucel et al., 2008). Results are mixed on the causation of lung disease and cancer by cannabis alone, but initial studies have shown an increased risk of testicular cancer due to cannabis use ( Daling et al., 2009). There is also some evidence that cannabis use while pregnant may have adverse effects on the fetus ( Huizink & Mulder, 2005). On a side note, synthetic cannabinoids have much greater adverse effects associated with them ( Wells, 2011). Of course, there are areas that need much more research, such as on light-to-moderate users. There is also a lack of definitive consensus on the effects of cannabis and THC. As such, it is inane to claim that there are no negative effects associated with cannabis use. This is not to say that cannabis does not also have potential significant medicinal benefits as well. That being said, the abuse of a poorly-regulated system as well as chronic over-medication are two valid concerns. Thank you. I took an Addictions course as part of my degree, and have done lots of research on the topic in addition to what I learned from my professor. Much research is still needed, but there is still plenty of research showing that marijuana has plenty of side effects for some people. To say one or the other (that it either does or does) is too much of a generalization without more research. I have access to my alumni database, so like Eruresto, I can link research if you'd like to read more. You're quite welcome. I too am doing work on addiction as part of my college studies. And I completely took for granted that I can read all of this without paying. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:09 pm
Addiction side effects of marijuana aren't nearly as bad as ANY other drug (caffeine included), but I can't say it isn't there, as I have seen it. Though, it's not intolerable at all, and pretty easy to get through. So it's not like people are going to go robbing pharmacies for marijuana or something. razz
A lot of what I know about marijuana is through experience and the experience of others (considering we are a part of the medical community). I say the benefits far outweigh the potential risks.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:25 pm
Eruresto Nikolita Eruresto There are quite a number of harmful side effects, and marijuana has been shown to have a low yet non-negligible addiction potential, moderate to high dependence potential as well as causing withdrawal symptoms in heavy users ( Swift, Hall & Teeson, 2002). Moreover, it has been shown to correlate significantly with psychosis (e.g. Henquet et al., 2005). Additionally, it may worsen or engender psychotic symptoms in those predisposed to such disorders ( Degenhardt, Hall & Lynskey, 2003). Lastly, besides the well-documented deleterious effect on short-term executive functioning, heavy use has been linked to hippocampal and amgdalal abnormalities ( Yucel et al., 2008). Results are mixed on the causation of lung disease and cancer by cannabis alone, but initial studies have shown an increased risk of testicular cancer due to cannabis use ( Daling et al., 2009). There is also some evidence that cannabis use while pregnant may have adverse effects on the fetus ( Huizink & Mulder, 2005). On a side note, synthetic cannabinoids have much greater adverse effects associated with them ( Wells, 2011). Of course, there are areas that need much more research, such as on light-to-moderate users. There is also a lack of definitive consensus on the effects of cannabis and THC. As such, it is inane to claim that there are no negative effects associated with cannabis use. This is not to say that cannabis does not also have potential significant medicinal benefits as well. That being said, the abuse of a poorly-regulated system as well as chronic over-medication are two valid concerns. Thank you. I took an Addictions course as part of my degree, and have done lots of research on the topic in addition to what I learned from my professor. Much research is still needed, but there is still plenty of research showing that marijuana has plenty of side effects for some people. To say one or the other (that it either does or does) is too much of a generalization without more research. I have access to my alumni database, so like Eruresto, I can link research if you'd like to read more. You're quite welcome. I too am doing work on addiction as part of my college studies. And I completely took for granted that I can read all of this without paying. sweatdrop LoL interesting once you think about it eh? xd Btw by "you" I had meant it to be directed to Lass Kyon, not you. My apologies if there was a misunderstanding. Lass Kyon Addiction side effects of marijuana aren't nearly as bad as ANY other drug (caffeine included), but I can't say it isn't there, as I have seen it. Though, it's not intolerable at all, and pretty easy to get through. So it's not like people are going to go robbing pharmacies for marijuana or something. razz A lot of what I know about marijuana is through experience and the experience of others (considering we are a part of the medical community). I say the benefits far outweigh the potential risks. That's a hard thing to say is because it's so subjective - a lot of it is based on personal experience. I have talked to people who have had horrible side effects smoking pot, and I know others who have had no issue with it. Calling up my university notes, I have listed that some of the side effects for marijuana are: (short term) - Altered thinking and perception - Altered well-being - Mood changes - Paranoia - Impaired concentration - Muscle twitches - Dry mouth/eyes (long term) - Deficits in ability to integrate and organize complicated information - Altered immune/hormone/heart function - Respiratory damage - Dental damage That's the academic information. From personal experiences, I've had one close friend get hooked on smoking pot and have it be a gateway to other, stronger drugs. I also know someone else who had severe anxiety issues when high and had to stop smoking. I understand that not everyone experiences pot the same way, and that those different experiences are hard to categorize marijuana for that very reason. However just because some people have few to no side effects does not, IMHO, mean that it should be treated as less of a severe illicit drug. Because the academic, science-based research shows that there are severe side effects for many people. I do agree that if it becomes legalized though, that a system should be set up for it (like there is for alcohol and tobacco, two other legalized drugs). 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:35 pm
Yeah, I agree there are definitely some people who can't handle it, and if it were legalized I think it should have an age minimum of 18 or 21.
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:44 am
Lass Kyon Yeah, I agree there are definitely some people who can't handle it, and if it were legalized I think it should have an age minimum of 18 or 21. At least what the laws are for alcohol and tobacco are for sure. 3nodding (In my province it's 19 for both, but I think it varies from province to province?)
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:03 am
Nikolita Lass Kyon Yeah, I agree there are definitely some people who can't handle it, and if it were legalized I think it should have an age minimum of 18 or 21. At least what the laws are for alcohol and tobacco are for sure. 3nodding (In my province it's 19 for both, but I think it varies from province to province?) 3nodding Yeah I live in the states, and I think some states have different ages for thing like consent to have sex, but I think that the age for smoking and drinking alcohol is the same throughout the country here.
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:58 pm
I have had several experiences with Marijuana. Let me tell you, it was lovely. When I was intoxicated as they call it, I felt warmer, happier, I could look at someone in the eyes and actually talk to them without any social-phobia. My emotions were up at least 50% than they normally would be. I also found lots of entertainment that is normally lame to be quite hilarious.. Let me ask those who think its bad. What I just described to you, does it sound like negative effects?
This is also why I will vote for Ron Paul, because he actually openly and actively believes in ENDING Marijuana Prohibition. He knows that Prohibition with Alcohol was an utter failure and he knows this one is too. He is the candidate who has received the most Veteran donations for his campaign than ANY other candidate.
Too much of anything is bad for you, even WATER! We are not saying Marijuana is excluded, but we are saying it is by FAR.. WAY safer than many drugs out there that attempt to treat sickness and fail, while Marijuana succeeds without causing problems like internal bleed, kidney infection, whatever!
Anyone who still believes in the media propaganda about Marijuana what so ever is a close, minded fool who lives still beneath a rock of lies. I will also never blame my failure on a plant that I chose to use for my enjoyment. And my father who is abusive, aggressive and sometimes verbal violent can be tolerable when he is high off Marijuana. It improves the quality of life, that's why its so great, that's why Pharmaceutical companies fear its legalization and that's why corruption is still strong in this nation.
Merry Christmas everyone!! : D
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:54 am
Valgex, I wouldn't disagree with you that Marijuana is less harmful that many other substances, but that does not make it safe, per se. I personally would not vote for Ron Paul, not because of his drug policies, but mostly because of his opinions on the church's role in governing the USA.
Also, the key thing about drugs is that they often don't have the same effects on everyone, as you mentioned. That's why anecdotal stories are not valid as scientific evidence. For instance, I have a certain medical condition which responds positively to a certain prescription drug. This drug has the opposite effect on the vast majority of the general populace. I cannot use myself or my experiences as evidence that this drug is proper or safe without noting all the extenuating circumstances. That is why I noted that most research that has been done up to this point on marijuana use has been done on heavy users.
I agree, by the way, that marijuana should be regulated and not outright prohibited. I personally do not wish to use it, as it interacts very badly with my medical condition, but responsible, moderated use (assuming that future research shows no ill effects) should be fine. The one thing holding me back from outright supporting de-prohibition at this time is that there is a distinct lack of research regarding light-to-medium usage.
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:34 pm
Eruresto Valgex, I wouldn't disagree with you that Marijuana is less harmful that many other substances, but that does not make it safe, per se. I personally would not vote for Ron Paul, not because of his drug policies, but mostly because of his opinions on the church's role in governing the USA. Also, the key thing about drugs is that they often don't have the same effects on everyone, as you mentioned. That's why anecdotal stories are not valid as scientific evidence. For instance, I have a certain medical condition which responds positively to a certain prescription drug. This drug has the opposite effect on the vast majority of the general populace. I cannot use myself or my experiences as evidence that this drug is proper or safe without noting all the extenuating circumstances. That is why I noted that most research that has been done up to this point on marijuana use has been done on heavy users. I agree, by the way, that marijuana should be regulated and not outright prohibited. I personally do not wish to use it, as it interacts very badly with my medical condition, but responsible, moderated use (assuming that future research shows no ill effects) should be fine. The one thing holding me back from outright supporting de-prohibition at this time is that there is a distinct lack of research regarding light-to-medium usage. Can't disagree with any of this. Ron Paul is the lesser of the Republican evils, but he is in no way a good candidate. Yes, I like that he wants to end prohibition, no I don't like about 90% of what else he stands for.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:32 am
Eruresto Valgex, I wouldn't disagree with you that Marijuana is less harmful that many other substances, but that does not make it safe, per se. I personally would not vote for Ron Paul, not because of his drug policies, but mostly because of his opinions on the church's role in governing the USA. Also, the key thing about drugs is that they often don't have the same effects on everyone, as you mentioned. That's why anecdotal stories are not valid as scientific evidence. For instance, I have a certain medical condition which responds positively to a certain prescription drug. This drug has the opposite effect on the vast majority of the general populace. I cannot use myself or my experiences as evidence that this drug is proper or safe without noting all the extenuating circumstances. That is why I noted that most research that has been done up to this point on marijuana use has been done on heavy users. I agree, by the way, that marijuana should be regulated and not outright prohibited. I personally do not wish to use it, as it interacts very badly with my medical condition, but responsible, moderated use (assuming that future research shows no ill effects) should be fine. The one thing holding me back from outright supporting de-prohibition at this time is that there is a distinct lack of research regarding light-to-medium usage. You mean Rick Perry, right? Cause Rick Perry is the religious psycho. If Ron Paul is true to his "Constitutionalism" belief, then he believes in "Separation of Church and State" just like our founding fathers were. Its his Foreign policy which people are concerned about, but basically he just doesn't like the idea of wasting billions of dollars on other countries when we have our own issues we could fix by using that money on ourselves. Personal experiences does have a say. Why have feedback on a product if experiences is ill-relevant? Basically the same exact concept. Just because some people "Think" they are having a bad reaction to it, like "Freaking out" doesn't mean they are going to drop dead. The mind is more powerful than the body. If you think your getting a bad reaction, then you will.. Placebo effect actually does effect the experience while high on Cannabis, the key is to calm down! What do you think will do more harm to me.. A pound of Oreos a month or a pound of Pot a month? I think Oreos and all other junk food should be illegal cause it makes people fat and lazy. How much research has gone into what the Oreo does to the body? Or how about the infamous twinkie that can last 100 years in its wrapper?
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