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 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:07 pm
ι ¢συℓ∂ ѕтαи∂ нєяє fσя нσυяѕ נυѕт тσ αѕк gσ∂ тнє qυєѕтισи, "ιѕ єνєяуσиє нєяє мαкє-вєℓιєνє؟"
So basically the whole 'Common Era' thing is really starting to bug me. It's not just that I'm Christian, and like the fact the system was based around Christ, though that's part it. It's also that we're whitewashing history. Changing it to 'Common Era' doesn't mean it's not still based around the same historical figure, but I think that's what some people are hoping for by using a new politically correct term. :/ So anyways, opinions? Anyone besides me care whether it's CE verses AD?
ωιтн α тєαя ιи нιѕ νσι¢є, нє ѕαι∂, "ѕσи, тнαт'ѕ тнє qυєѕтισи."
∂σєѕ тнιѕ ∂єαfєиιиg ѕιℓєи¢є мєαи иσтнιиg тσ иσ σиє вυт мє؟
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:12 pm
I dislike using BCE and CE. Mostly, it's religious bias, of course. But there's also the fact that CE begins at the same time that AD does. If they're going to change it, they might as well pick a new focal point for the current age, like 1776 or something.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:14 pm
It doesn't bug me really. Either CE or AD means the same thing to me. I've hear some people interpret CE as "Christian Era" instead of the typical "Common Era". I mainly use CE when I am writing to a broad audience of those that aren't Christian. When I'm writing to an exclusively Christian audience, I'll use the "Day of our Lord" dating instead. Since there is an alternate interpretation of CE, I'm not sure if history is being whitewashed but it does keep secularized and less based exclusively in religion.
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:17 pm
Well CE is the globally accepted term, and I really don't think that the change is being made to stamp Christ out of the picture per-say, I believe it is an attempt to unite the time lines from around the globe so that dating isn't such a confusing issue.
Really, only European influenced nations use Anno Domini. Now that the Gregorian calendar has been adopted for business affairs around the globe, it is only natural that those who feel like Christ is irrelevant to them and to how they keep time to use a more neutral statement when describing years.
If you feel hurt by the fact that they are not saying before or after Christ, be glad that the calender the whole world is adopting is still centered around the time that Christ was born (although not wholly accurate.) More people are actually exposed to the idea of Christ through the calendar this way anyway, because now those who hadn't the opportunity to use the calendar before have the opportunity to ask what happened to make BCE into CE. Then keep the spirit of the thing alive by saying "Christian Era" and such.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:10 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia Well CE is the globally accepted term, and I really don't think that the change is being made to stamp Christ out of the picture per-say, I believe it is an attempt to unite the time lines from around the globe so that dating isn't such a confusing issue. Really, only European influenced nations use Anno Domini. Now that the Gregorian calendar has been adopted for business affairs around the globe, it is only natural that those who feel like Christ is irrelevant to them and to how they keep time to use a more neutral statement when describing years. If you feel hurt by the fact that they are not saying before or after Christ, be glad that the calender the whole world is adopting is still centered around the time that Christ was born (although not wholly accurate.) More people are actually exposed to the idea of Christ through the calendar this way anyway, because now those who hadn't the opportunity to use the calendar before have the opportunity to ask what happened to make BCE into CE. Then keep the spirit of the thing alive by saying "Christian Era" and such. ι ¢συℓ∂ ѕтαи∂ нєяє fσя нσυяѕ נυѕт тσ αѕк gσ∂ тнє qυєѕтισи, "ιѕ єνєяуσиє нєяє мαкє-вєℓιєνє؟"
If they're going to use the system, I think they might as well use it with AD and BC. I don't see any real good reason for them to change it.
It's not exactly that I feel hurt, just that it annoys me. I don't like that they're throwing away the history just to make some people more comfortable with it. I always hate it when religion gets compromised for comfort. >.<
Besides, this guild's been slow...I was kinda hoping this would generate some activity.
ωιтн α тєαя ιи нιѕ νσι¢є, нє ѕαι∂, "ѕσи, тнαт'ѕ тнє qυєѕтισи."
∂σєѕ тнιѕ ∂єαfєиιиg ѕιℓєи¢є мєαи иσтнιиg тσ иσ σиє вυт мє؟
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:00 pm
An un-informed's view:
Hadn't really heard of CE until now, and referring to BC, that AD must mean "After ...... ? "
But then, i live in Europe.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:04 pm
BC = Before Christ
AD = Anno domini, which is "In the year of our Lord."
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:22 pm
Actually, I feel that it's more accurate to say C.E.
Theologians estimate that Jesus was actually born 3-5 years before the "Anno Domini" new year count started. I don't have a source for this, but that's what I was taught in my Scripture class at Catholic high school.
It doesn't bother me at all that religion is being left out of the calendar.
Seems like it would be more appropriate to use C.E. in, say, a setting where a public school studies history.
Yanno?
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:46 pm
You mean like Texas!? They changed a lot of the history in their textbooks.
I used to say Common Era, but that makes me think of something very recent. And the person Jesus did exist and I acknowledge that. No he is not a major figure to me, but he did exist.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:34 pm
I've used B.C.E. and C.E. all my life.
BC and AD offend me.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:18 pm
My world history teacher when teaching me BC and AD said "Historians don't really like to give Christians credit for creating our current annual timescale, so we have BCE and CE!"
Thought, I happen to believe using BC and AD is an insult to those who don't believe in Jesus. Though I believe personally that he was a real figure, I don't believe he was God, and some people don't even believe he exists at all. Saying BC and AD is like claiming Jesus was born when we have little evidence of it's factuality.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:29 pm
I use CE and BCE. I don't like using AD and BC, because, well, I'm not christian. A lot of people feel that by using AD and BC christians are shoving their religion down others' throats. I personally don't care, because I dislike most christians I meet anyway. neutral
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:22 pm
buggsie blue I use CE and BCE. I don't like using AD and BC, because, well, I'm not christian. A lot of people feel that by using AD and BC christians are shoving their religion down others' throats. I personally don't care, because I dislike most christians I meet anyway. neutral Modern Christianity isn't at it's finest in life, let me assure. But yes. Same here, but I use AD and BC, because, well, I don't really care and I grew up with Before Christ and Anno Domini
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:09 pm
I use whichever pops into my head first. BC and AD don't offend me, I just think they're inaccurate.
Religion has no place in public schools, but I don't believe using the words BC and AD to be the assault on children's religious freedom that it's been made into.
I'm much more concerned with keeping real religious preaching outside of schools. Things like teaching Christian creationism, abstinence only health classes, etc. is what needs to stay out of public school systems.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:55 pm
You know honestly I don't use any of those really. Generally I'll refer to a point in time by a famous culture, ecological event or if it's present time just state the year. I never use BC, AD, CE, or BCE at all. Honestly to me all any of them are anyways is indicators of a time period, nothing worth getting offended over, so either which way you refer to them it doesn't matter to me. Half the time if you have to use one of those indicators anyways unless in a classroom setting no one's really going to know when you're talking about unless you give them a reference point such as 'around the beginnging of the roman empire'.
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