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 Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:09 pm
Blake
SARAH PALIN SUPPORTED THE AERIAL WOLF HUNT.
GREY WOLVES ARE NOT EVEN THREATENED.
Your guild isn't going to even help anything, a guild on Gaia Online is useless.
ESPECIALLY when the leader's ill informed.
demon
ha your funny... you know nothing of our guild or our leader.. he actually was fully aware that wolves wernt indanger and about the sara pallin thing (she a b*&%). he was never miss informed or miss informed us.. he stand against the killing of helpless animals. epsecially wolves.. but you wouldnt know that bc your an uncaring person whe in comes to animals.. and your harassing our guild and its guild mates.. yes every single one of us has repoted it. now leaves us be. bc you dont understand and just made yourself look stupid. bc you try to play our leader. we all read your message and laughed. im sorry to say but your messges were useless.. now i suggest a formal apology to the guild. that would be great. Andrew does not like drama.. but when it happens he reacts quick. imidiatly after your first post. he sent an anouncement saying you would be posting on a ew if not all profile you could. and he was right... you fail.. now please leave us be and apologize.. al we wish to do is share our concern about the animals to the young adult to todays world so maybe just maybe they can change it... that is wat he hopes for.. you dont see that and im sorry
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:14 pm
Blake
Then why isn't he out there advertising using Sarah Palin's wrongdoings?
What Obama did was completely reasonable if you think about it.
Wolves aren't the same as your little sugarcoated cartoons.
They do things we don't like; attack family pets, etc etc.
If their population gets too big, they could become somewhat of a pest, they could be a threat to animals that are actually ON the endangered species list
demon
you right it wasnt, necissary to leave two comments. and he isnt just using her wrong doing thi is happening all over the world. he know a wolves behavior very well prob a s**t load better than you.. we dont care wat you say.. we dont like the killing of wolves.. yes they arent endangered but their numbers still arent wat they should be.. and if man wants to kill something he should do it with his own to hands and make it a fair fight... you talk about wolves attacking things and making them extinct.. arent we as humans doing the same damn thing. you know nothing.. agrue when you can but you have nothing. we are humans are more of a danger to the wildlife and the earth than wolves are.. do if anything shouldnt we be killing eachother then.. if you say it ok to kill them bc some corrupt politician says so, then so be it. that your choice. bc you say it ok bc they will kill things that are endanger. then why not throw the sam argument at yourself. we are more of a threat. they are just tryiing to survive while e are taking everything from everycreature. wh are changing the wolrd more than it supposed to be and your worried about a wolf attacking your chicken coupe. well guess wat you went to their land so they can do wat they want it called territory. you should know about this you tak about it in your guild. which by the way i know plenty that would join if you werent so egotistical and so for killing things.we are want to stop the disrtuctive nature of man. not encourage it like you.. if you want to live on a dead planet go right ahead and agrue with me you know im right.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:15 pm
Blake
Killing off a FEW wolves isn't going to "kill the planet".
In fact, it'd help.
Wolf behavior =/= the fact they contribute to putting animals on the verge of extinction.
Florida panthers, dholes, Iberian lynxes and polar bears (though rare) to name a few of the animals wolves have been known to kill that are threatened species. Wolves aren't those sugarcoated wolf rains puppies you see on TV, hun.
They can become a pest if their popuation is too large.
They are not on the endangered species list any longer.
If/when they are put back on, I'm sure there will be a law against the hunting.
Until then, hunting them in two states is barely a threat.
Wolves are more of a threat to animals actually ON the list than hunting in two states is to them
blocked demonxofthexwolves after this message.... then sent these
Blake
So, what am I arguing against and doing?
I'm not arguing against hunting and hunting animals.
And I'm saying it's alright to hunt them in two states; so I don't see what the point of that was.
Stupidity lies in the one who claims to know more about wolves, yet does not know a simple, yet major fact about that specific animal.
Blake
Attempt to contact me any longer and I will report you for harassment.
You turned a simple debate into an agument, into calling me "stupid" without basis.
Very mature, kid.
now for the record.. if you read the argument he never called her stupid, but her arguement
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:50 pm
I think Blakemore's argument was just plan stupid. He may have had some points about wolves not be the sugar coated wolves we see in television, and them not being on the endangered list anymore, but wolves are not vicious man-killing creatures. They do what they have to do to survive, and if that means killing a few other creatures or getting into someone's fields and killing some of their life stock, well then thats what they'll do. Its not their fault that we took their land over. Its not their fault that we drove some of the animals out of their homes and away from the area. They had no part in that, and if they had had a say in all of that happening, they would have fought it, but they didn't have a say so they couldn't. And for his second point, wolves may not be endangered anymore, but their numbers are low. If we start allowing hunting again, wolves WILL go back on the endangered list, faster than what the government probably thinks, and if the cycle keeps going back and forth, eventually they will become extinct. I can understand someone shooting a wolf if it attacked THEM, but that doesn't actually happen that often, and the wolf would most likely have to be provoked before that happened. Anyways, my point is that there are points on both sides of the argument, but for every point the people for killing wolves have, us people who don't want wolves to be hunted have a point that has more behind it and is more just. There are more reasons to not hunt wolves then there are to hunt wolves, and its as simple as that
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Cassie-chan_Rules Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:00 pm
i agree with you. both sides have points. but we just want sensless killing to stop. or make it fair all around.. i mean us right. we are worse than wolves
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:18 pm
But thats WHY I like wolves. Because they can kill things twice there size! And they arent mindless killers, they can also be gentle with one another. Now, I'm not saying go out and pet some wolves, There wild animals. And really, we don't belong here. Wolves can kill, but they know the rhythm of life. (as i call it.) We humans just rip it right out of the ground, and kill the things that get in our way. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be human...
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:40 pm
I second the statement on hating being a human. We as "humans" do things just to benefit ourselves and for profit. Cutting down countless acres of land to build more buildings and roads is just one example; killing and mercilessly attacking animals - who were here first - because they are in our way or by killing them will profit "us."
Also, to comment on some of Blakemore's statements:
1. Yes wolves kill endangered animals, but so do countless other animals and humans. Brown Hyenas are nearly extinct - and hardly known because of it - because lions and other large predators in africa killed most of them off. The same goes to why African Wilddogs/Painted Dogs are nearly extinct; that and too much of their territories and habit are being cut-down.
Wolves may be "killers" of other endangered species, but it is because of competition for food, territory, and to protect their own packs.
2. Thousands of people know that wolves aren't "sugar-coated" in any manner; just like any other wild animal. Dolphins have been known to kill people!
We - as members of this guild - are trying to spread the word about the greater side of these wild canids. Yes they can be vicious, but they have a greater sense of family and community than humans. That and any documented attacks on humans were because of rabies, another series disease, severe threats toward the pack and their territory (although there are barely any of these), or people demonstrated prey-like behavior such as bending down or running (which triggers many attacks from thousands of predators; more so than all the wolves combined).
3. Some species of wolves may no longer be on the endangered species list, but many are. Those in Europe especially. Yes most in North America can be taken off the list, but there are still plenty that need a voice to vouch for them.
4. One Guild on Gaia may not seem like much, but it'll get people talking and spreading the word - both online and off.
5. Coyotes, Cougars, Foxes, Bears, etc attack pets and livestock more often than wolves do. Although many don't consider it or care, wolves know humans' homes and farms. Unless they are extremely desperate or have an illness or injury, wolves won't go near any type of human settlement.
There are some that have adapted around human environments, but even then they stick to trash and the rats and other small creatures that live near them - not pets or livestock.
6. There are plenty of other overpopulation problems that started once wolves were being hunted, /relocated, etc. Deer, elk, other predators - the natural balance has been thwarted and so killing off more wolves could end up being horrible.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:59 pm
Now I believe hunting is wrong. First of all, we are on the wolves territory, not them on ours. And if a wolf attacked a pet thne its the owners fault for letting the pet run around.
We have a greater advantage over the wolves since we have guns and all the wolves have are their NATURAL ablities. If I saw a person run out there, catch a wolf and then wrestle it and defeat it with their bare hands, then I would be fine with it.
Now some people may argue, "Oh were smart and were using our natural smartness to defeat the wolves." Okay they may have a point there but most people who hunt do not build their own gun or gear. They BUY it. If wolves could buy stuff to protect them then they would.
I think it should only be okay to hunt a wolf is if it KILLS a human. An eye for an eye. But that rarely happens so it should be illegal to hunt wolves.
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:12 pm
OkamiAmaratsu Sometimes I'm ashamed to be human... There is no shame in being a human unless you know you act in ways that you really shouldn't be proud of. Not all cultures did what we do today. We're now a global society in progress; one of consumerism and universalism. Nature reserves aren't enough to maintain animal populations I'm afraid, but they're an effort. Although it seems to serve to making animals more like stage attractions than actually allowing them to live out their lives as they should be able. Still, not all of mankind is like that. And as far as the hunting bit goes, I see nothing wrong with using a bow. It's at least more natural than a gun in the sense. Or if you are going to use a gun, use it against larger game. If hunting to defend your livestock and home, then I support the use of guns. For then it's in defense. But I'm getting off track here. I just wanted to let you know it's okay to be human. At one time we lived with nature, not against it. Some of us still try to as best we can. There's hope yet, so keep your chin up friend.
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:15 pm
I agree with demon completely. killing wolves isnt a good idea at all. they r living things too. just like us. and besides dogs evolved from wolves.
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Strikers Gal Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:17 pm
Herr Wulf OkamiAmaratsu Sometimes I'm ashamed to be human... There is no shame in being a human unless you know you act in ways that you really shouldn't be proud of. Not all cultures did what we do today. We're now a global society in progress; one of consumerism and universalism. Nature reserves aren't enough to maintain animal populations I'm afraid, but they're an effort. Although it seems to serve to making animals more like stage attractions than actually allowing them to live out their lives as they should be able. Still, not all of mankind is like that. And as far as the hunting bit goes, I see nothing wrong with using a bow. It's at least more natural than a gun in the sense. Or if you are going to use a gun, use it against larger game. If hunting to defend your livestock and home, then I support the use of guns. For then it's in defense. But I'm getting off track here. I just wanted to let you know it's okay to be human. At one time we lived with nature, not against it. Some of us still try to as best we can. There's hope yet, so keep your chin up friend. thank you. :3
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:27 pm
herr you and i should really talk more, i like the way you word thing, and better yet your mind set
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ii_Crazy_Jazzy_ii Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:53 am
Alright I am going to try and make this as short as possible but ya idk if i can i have a lot to say ; u ;
1. I have had my own little argument with blake here and although blake does have a few points not many of them exactly prove her point as they can be turned around like blake's article just because one politician supports the killling of an animal ndoes that mean the whole world should no it doesnt
and if anyone thinks so then lets go back to our child hood days when our parents use to say "now if timmy jumped off a bridge would u??" well no u wouldnt unless ur a total idiot o: so do not follow the word of one person find out the info urself and then make ur own dicision and live by that be ur own leader and not someone elses little follower
2. Although wolves may not be on "the endangered/extinct list" does not mean they should be huntin down merclessly. they are still living things and deserve the right to life jusyt as much as anything else and there-for we do not have the right to kill them off for them just keepin to their cycle of life they have one nuthiung wrong other then trying to live and survive. and as fact wolve do not have a harmful nature unless provoked or in sum way threatened. they tend to keep clear of human for they are more afraid of us then we are of them. it has been proved that wolve are a wary and shy creature and tend to avoid humans and their settlements unless it has come to the point were food is so scarce they have been pushed to the brink of needin to cross that line in order to survie but even then they dont harm humans like many people like to believe they are just followin their natural instincs.
3. Wolves do hunt other animals but they have to survive just as we do we may not have to hunt for we breed the animals we kill and eat but we still kill animals so does that make humans cruel and wrong for survivng, so why kill a species just for doing wut every other species does "surviving". and if its to the point of wolves killin humans well a lot of animals kill humans be it for different reasons rabies, another disease or feelin threatened. even a simple sting ray can kill a full grown human if it feels threatened just as one killed the crocidile hunter {{sorry forgot his name had it then it poofed lol}} so anyways im sure u get my point by now >.<
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:44 am
thank you JAZZY i wubbers you for that
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:26 pm
Well, all humans have a different brain so a fight is a regular thing. But when we're facing wolves, it's a total different idea. The humans are one group and the wolves are another.
Human: We will kill them
Wolves: We will get revenge
So I'm just guessing that why would you ever try? Wolves are part of Mother Nature! Don't forget your baby stories yoru mother told you when you were young! People who are killing wlves right now-bad they are...but remember they were our age and heard of this before too, our is it they just got a evil heart? Being a humans is awesome. Same thing with being a wolf.
Wolves are really not different form humans. They all need one thing or two(well more...)and they aren't as spoiled becuase they have to fight for what thye want, but we can jsut buy them from the nearest store. Sometimes i have pitty for wolves and animals of that such becuase they can't play with this cool technology!
Yeha..I agree with the others.
Though if we win a round, they must have own sometime. Do you even no why our race started to hunt wolves?
Oh yes...according to the food chain...we are the predators, then it's hte wolves and so one so forht...:[
ANywyas...I think I just said what eveyrone alrady said...XD. :]
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