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Icarus is Toxic

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:23 am


I was thinking about starting
to train a gible, but for some reason
I feel like there is rule with Garchomp.
Is there?
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:29 am


Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

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Icarus is Toxic

PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 9:39 am


Ohh ok then
Hmmm Thank you man biggrin

I never really had a problem with one
but uhmmm rules are rules.
;]
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:49 am


That's still not stopping you from training on, taking it onto PBR and wrecking havoc against random trainers, lol. It's possible things will chance once Gen 5 comes around, but we'll have to see about that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:14 pm


Kyrenx
Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

Garchomp is an epic beast of a Pokemon, why would you ban it? biggrin
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:18 pm


Exactly why we would ban it. neutral

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:21 pm


SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

Garchomp is an epic beast of a Pokemon, why would you ban it? biggrin

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:04 pm


Kyrenx
SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

Garchomp is an epic beast of a Pokemon, why would you ban it? biggrin

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.

GET A COUNTER! scream Don't be banning awesome Pokemon!

SlashFighter1988


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:07 pm


SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

Garchomp is an epic beast of a Pokemon, why would you ban it? biggrin

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.

GET A COUNTER! scream Don't be banning awesome Pokemon!

There's a hole in every Pokemon's defenses, don't say that they're invincible.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:11 pm


First no need to double post. Second no one said it is impossible to kill. But it does throw the balance of the game off. Kyrenx already gave a link to more in detail discussion of this.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:34 pm


SlashFighter1988
SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

Garchomp is an epic beast of a Pokemon, why would you ban it? biggrin

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.

GET A COUNTER! scream Don't be banning awesome Pokemon!

There's a hole in every Pokemon's defenses, don't say that they're invincible.


I don't say this often.. but... n00b, look up what over-centralizing means, because that's exactly what Garchomp does to the metagame. End of discussion.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:09 am


Kyrenx
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Kyrenx
SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx
Some pretty solid debates have been made here, smogon (and amongst many other Pokemon circles across the net in regards to the Chomp. If you want to know why it got banned here, here is a thread with some pretty solid arguement for Uber-banning the Ground/Dragon.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=16548449
(Please note: This debate has already concluded and Garchomp is not subject to any future tier debates for a long while)

Garchomp is an epic beast of a Pokemon, why would you ban it? biggrin

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.

GET A COUNTER! scream Don't be banning awesome Pokemon!

There's a hole in every Pokemon's defenses, don't say that they're invincible.


I don't say this often.. but... n00b, look up what over-centralizing means, because that's exactly what Garchomp does to the metagame. End of discussion.
98% of the people that are trying to use cheap pokemon (Ubers) just know what uber means (big/powerful) they don't think it's a tier (nor do they probably know the word tier). Such as when we had the UU/NU tournament, I fought a Garchomp, a Tyranitar, and a Wevile. Most people don't know the metagame, and it's an annoying fact. In Kyrenx's origonal post he used the term "uber-banning" well the nub then responded as such, because he dosn't know what "Uber" in metagame terms means.

(P.S. He also doesn't know the word metagame.) and he'll probably google this after reading.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:54 am


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Kyrenx
SlashFighter1988
SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.

GET A COUNTER! scream Don't be banning awesome Pokemon!

There's a hole in every Pokemon's defenses, don't say that they're invincible.


I don't say this often.. but... n00b, look up what over-centralizing means, because that's exactly what Garchomp does to the metagame. End of discussion.
98% of the people that are trying to use cheap pokemon (Ubers) just know what uber means (big/powerful) they don't think it's a tier (nor do they probably know the word tier). Such as when we had the UU/NU tournament, I fought a Garchomp, a Tyranitar, and a Wevile. Most people don't know the metagame, and it's an annoying fact. In Kyrenx's origonal post he used the term "uber-banning" well the nub then responded as such, because he dosn't know what "Uber" in metagame terms means.

(P.S. He also doesn't know the word metagame.) and he'll probably google this after reading.


Ehhh, user bashing, anyone *slight sarcasm*? The point is true, however. Multiple comments have been made on how Garchomp forces many trainers with average experience to make their teams around countering Garchomp because of it's powerful stats and well rounded moveset instead of using their own well trusted pokemon team. I personally wouldn't have a problem with facing Garchomps, since I have Vexina to outrun and take them out, but not all trainers have or consider such possibilities. It is due to that (to use Kyrenx's term) Over-centralizing nature that it was and still is considered an Uber. Gen 5 may change that, but until at least a few months after it releases in Japan and we get solid information on a non-legendary pokemon that can wipe the floor with Garchomp and render it obsolete, we'll just have to wait and see.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:42 pm


SlashFighter1988
Kyrenx

I've already provided a link explaining the reasons.

GET A COUNTER! scream Don't be banning awesome Pokemon!


Yokubo-chan (Pee Pee)
98% of the people that are trying to use cheap pokemon (Ubers) just know what uber means (big/powerful) they don't think it's a tier (nor do they probably know the word tier). Such as when we had the UU/NU tournament, I fought a Garchomp, a Tyranitar, and a Wevile. Most people don't know the metagame, and it's an annoying fact. In Kyrenx's origonal post he used the term "uber-banning" well the nub then responded as such, because he dosn't know what "Uber" in metagame terms means.

(P.S. He also doesn't know the word metagame.) and he'll probably google this after reading.

In my defense however, whether or not he understood what "Uber", "tier" or "metagame" meant.. he got the impression that Garchomp had been banned (hence the whole "why would you ban it?" and later confirmed by his "GET A COUNTER!" response) and when asked why it had been banned, I yet again pointed at the the provided link suggesting that everything had been explained there. No where in any of my arguements did I ever claim Garchomp to be "invincible" and his refusal to look at the answer of his question is really no fault of mine and have no remorse for what I called him. On the other topic, I believe I encountered the same person at the last NU/UU tournament, except they used a Ninjask+Weavile setup combo on me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:22 pm


I know the discussion has decided to Ban Garchomp! but i wasnt in the guild at the time! lol

i think Garchomp should be banned due to the fact that I hate that most people have to use it! It's just too strong! i love the thing, but I honestly hate going up against it even when it's 4x to Ice! just because I have an Ice pokemon that has Ice attacks doesnt mean i automatically kill chomp! the thing is Friken fast!, it can use Fire Fang! Even if the pokemon isnt and ice type and has Ice moves, Garchomp is open to moves that can take out all types and use them before you get to Ice Punch/Beam or what-ever!

I had to throw in my 2 cents worth!
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