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How much choice do we have over our beliefs? |
Very little. People are drawn to certain beliefs, they don't truly choose them. |
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25% |
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Some. There are some things we just naturally believe and other things we learn to believe. |
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45% |
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A lot. People have the ability to actively change what they believe in. |
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28% |
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:37 pm
So, my question for you is how much choice do we have over our beliefs? Obviously, we can choose how we act on our beliefs, but can we choose our beliefs themselves? For example, no matter how hard I try, I seriously doubt I could ever believe in, say, Scientology. On the other hand, I doubt I could ever stop believing in the existence of god(s). So, for me, it feels like I don't have a great deal control over what I do and do not believe. Do you feel like you had a choice in your spiritual beliefs or that you were drawn to them without much deliberation? Does it vary from person to person? If you feel that you did choose your beliefs, what exactly was that process like for you?
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:44 pm
Very strange, I went through, and I'm still going through it. I started out a catholic, believing what my mom told me about how life worked, but I never went to church, so I never gained a strong devotion to it. Eventually I started going to a Christian Church, though it never really drew me in. Eventually I couldn't go do to reasons I'm not going to post in a forum. In school we started to go over how religion has branched off over the years. We did a little project where we made our own "religion", with our own belief system and everything. It got me to thinking on how anybody could have made any religion, and slowly convinced others that it was the truth. To prove my idea, I convinced someone to join my "religion" just by telling him about the simple ideas of it. I ended up becoming agnostic by the end of the of it all.
So yeah, you have choice, it just depends on how you go about using it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:53 pm
Sure we get to choose our beliefs, though I do think at some point you become too committed to easily change. I did it with being a Christian; I didn't really think I loved God, and I thought I was simply a Christian because I was afraid of Hell. At some point I quit it, gave it to the Lord, and just said I would love Him, and it worked! I wouldn't go back now though; I love and depend on Him too much to have any reason to.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:22 pm
I did! <3 I was never raised entirely Christian to begin with. I mean, occasionally my parents would drag me to church, but I never knew why and I always felt bored. And we celebrated Christmas and Easter, but with very little stress on Christianity. So when I was probably only about twelve or thirteen years of age I started thinking it out, logically and rationally. Before I was out of junior high school I believe I had mostly abandoned my old beliefs that Christianity was true... I do think I had some subconscious fear of Hell though for a long time. And it wasn't until the past couple of years that I used my new found abilities to think and debate myself on different levels to come up with really sophisticated reasoning for why I so completely disagree with it today. And I am and always will be a product of my constantly-changing thoughts and opinions. I don't, however, think that I'll ever be a hardcore theist. Or at least, I don't see myself following any major organized religions. It seems something that you almost have to be born into in my opinion...
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:44 pm
I think it varies from a person to a person to choose their own beliefs, however it moreover depends on how the person is exposed to the religions, how they might be forced to practice the beliefs or is blocked from practicing. I was baptized as a baby into a Catholic Church, taught about their bible beliefs and such, and I was also taught not to believe in witchcraft, or whatever. As I went to a public school, they taught and spoke about worldwide religions, philosophies, and books/bibles. Many philosophies seem out of logic and place, but that is just my opinion. I guess that does affect the choosing the beliefs. I am not a christian anymore, because of the stories and the priests as I feel they are just full of hoots, just trying to brainwash us. have been doing that from B.C. time to now so I am an agnositic.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:54 am
For me it has never been about choice, but rather about being convinced of something. The other thing I will never get is how some people simply make up what they believe.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:25 am
I think that it is a choice, based on information you've gathered about the religion or sometimes even on personal spiritual experience [but that's rather rare I guess.] You learn about the religion, and you decide if from the fact you've learnt you find it credible and want to follow this system of faith. At least that how it's been for me [but even when I'm already a believer I want to keep learning about the religion, I think it's a lifetime process.]
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:54 am
I must say that I have had similar circumstances with brainnsoup and rurounizakku... I remember going to church once when I was very young and not having any idea what was going on for instance I thought that when the offering plate wa going around that they were offering us the money ect... I vaguely knew who Jesus was and celebrated the Christmas and Easter concentrating more on the Easter Bunny and Santa. I never thought about my soul or spirit or anything like that. When I was about ten my parents got divorced and my dad remained the same involving religion, leaving it in all it's vagueness while still being Christian (sometimes its hard to tell that he is because he is not attuned with religion at all and he beleives in Atlantis and all other manner of things in which contridicts with his Judeo-Christian beliefs) My mother however threw herself into her southern baptist roots (shes pentacostal or something like that now I think but she may have changed to something else) I got saved and all that and trid to follow god, not because I really believed but mainly out of fear of hell. I continued on that path of trying to get close to the Christian god for many years but it never clicked... then I read a book called "The Dragon Queen" first in a series by Alice Borchardt that I found amongst my fathers books (I was in 11th grade at the time) and even though it was a very fictional story it stirred something in me. I knew there were religions that were very close to the beliefs of the characters in the book (not the magic and all that but the beliefs that seem to be common with many forms of pagan) I began trying to learn about the various religions that were not in the main, focusing on what was oldest because a part of me thought that the earlier it came along the closer to truth it was (much like when playing the telephone game where a group of people try to whisper the same thing over and over in each others ears and by the end it is jumbled beyond recognition so that the first one asked the second "remember to say please" and the last person hears "Suzie has ticks".... Of course now that is only half of my beliefs, the other being the search of enlightenment and other important things in life.... I'm sorry for being so long winded and so will stop my religious path there and get my point across... I don't believe religion is a choice because no matter how hard I tried for many many years before that year and a couple after to believe in Christianity I could not.... I think it is that there is a certain religion out there for everyone.... they just have to find it...
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:11 am
I think you can choose faith in a way. You can choose whether to stick to what you were brought up to believe or not. You can choose whether to open up to other ideas, and you choose how stubborn you would be about accepting them. I don't think you can actually make a choice to believe something, but you can choose to give yourself this option, and you can choose not to.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:41 am
I believe we choose every thing that we do, who we are, our belief, sexuality, etc. Though I don't rule out the possibility that culture, environment, parents, friends, etc. can influence us, but ultimately the choice lies on our shoulders.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:43 am
Shadows-shine I believe we choose every thing that we do, who we are, our belief, sexuality, etc. Though I don't rule out the possibility that culture, environment, parents, friends, etc. can influence us, but ultimately the choice lies on our shoulders. Can you choose to believe that you can fly?
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:05 pm
Artto Shadows-shine I believe we choose every thing that we do, who we are, our belief, sexuality, etc. Though I don't rule out the possibility that culture, environment, parents, friends, etc. can influence us, but ultimately the choice lies on our shoulders. Can you choose to believe that you can fly? Sure, but whether or not flying is possible for a human is another story.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:15 pm
Shadows-shine Sure, but whether or not flying is possible for a human is another story. Wow, seriously? You can just decide you believe you can fly, just like that?
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:52 pm
Artto Shadows-shine Sure, but whether or not flying is possible for a human is another story. Wow, seriously? You can just decide you believe you can fly, just like that? I think you can choose to try to believe you can fly and you might eventually convince yourself depending on how gullible or convincing you are.... edit: in fact I am in the process of trying to convince myself that I am unable to die in order to conduct an experiment. This is going to sound crazy but it struck a cord in me and I did not come up with this by myself but what if the only reason people die is because they lose their will to live and this includes those old spinsters who cling to life in order to spite their descendants... what if the only reason they finally let go is because they believe they will die.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:29 pm
Artto Shadows-shine Sure, but whether or not flying is possible for a human is another story. Wow, seriously? You can just decide you believe you can fly, just like that? You can choose to do any thing and believe any thing, it all depends on how gullible you are and how hard you try to convince yourself, especially when it comes to believing you can fly. You'd have to be really gullible to believe that, but yes, some one could believe they could fly. But I didn't rule out that culture, environment, etc. could or couldn't influence what you believe.
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