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Is Falun Gong a cult or religion?
it's a evil cult
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it's a religion
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i don't know
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:28 am


She 's almost toothless and her left eye already blind. She still insists she will be persecuted if she goes back to China. Also, she believes that she will become a goddess by practising Falungong. SHe refuses go to see the dentist or a doctor because Falungong followers can't take medicine.

Who can save her!!!!.




Hi! Guys..
I'm very confusing with cult from religions.
I know a lady who believes Falun Gong which was banned in China but is allowed in those countries who againsts China.
This old lady left China to avoid being persecuted (she thought so but no evidence) and staying aboard as an asylum seeker.
The problem is : she jumped from a building after practising Falun Gong half year later and it happened before Falun Gong was banned by the authorities. She has done all the things for FG even left her family.She says she's no any disease but her body often swollen like she used to be and now she is already toothless and one eye is blind after practising it over 10 years.
FG is already become an oganization with religion to against china's communist party. So she dare not to return to China. On one hand, China's authorities never persecuted her for practising it but they really arrested some other FG followers. On another hand, all the FG followers believe it is very dangerous to go back to China, so she will never go back to china until she dies in oversea.
Guys, who can save her or give me some suggestions.

Do you know the Falungong followers are building a temple for Li Hongzhi in america now?
Do you know they believe it will be the end of the world in 2012?
Do you know they never donate people when the disaster comes because they think they deserve it and it's the kama.
If you don't believe me, please go to ask a follower.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:03 am


How to save her? She jumped off a building, is she still alive? XD

Anyway, it sounds like a cult. Any belief which causes more personal harm than good, is a cult.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:01 pm


A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:38 pm


Falun Gong (Falun Dafa) is spiritual practice, not a religion or cult.


http://www.falundafa.org/eng/intro.html


Add: Depending on her level of skill, she may also be following the practice, even if it is to her detriment. I had a friend who studied to be a guru in yoga, and her teacher advised her to remove all earthly attachments that included divorcing her husband. Some people find it shocking in the Western World, but it's more common than what people want to admit for Asiatic spiritual practices to behave in this manner as your friend.

Also, some people are just stubborn like that. If you've done all you can, you've done all you can. It hurts, but that's the way life is sometimes: you can't save everyone.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:32 pm


Shearaha
A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:36 pm


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Shearaha
A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3

Actually, according to Christianity, all religions except theirs is a cult 3nodding
Not entirely sure if offense was intended 3nodding

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:35 pm


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A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3

Actually, according to Christianity, all religions except theirs is a cult 3nodding
Not entirely sure if offense was intended 3nodding
Not every religion is a cult at the present time... but they all started out as cults by your defination, including christianity....
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:41 pm


Extreme forms of ascetism are actually a fairly recurring theme in south-east asian religions. Falun Gong seems somewhat related to the extremely ascetic Jainism branch of that area.

Then again, like a buddhist friend of mine told me said: One should avoid extremes of this world and thread the paths between paths; the middle way.

All forms of religious extremism, cult or not, is generally a bad concept.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:51 pm


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A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3

Actually, according to Christianity, all religions except theirs is a cult 3nodding
Not entirely sure if offense was intended 3nodding

No offense taken whether you intended any or not. XD
Plus I don't know any Christians who would call all religions but ours a cult, but maybe that's just me...

And Itachi I'm not sure I see that, at least when it comes to Christianity (it's the only one I have enough knowledge of to defend, so sorry I can't defend the others sweatdrop ). How was it exclusive? If it lasts thousands of years, can it have been a fad at one point? Who was the charismatic leader?
The only one that applies might be the last one, but any new idea is usually considered such. I don't think it's the only thing you should base calling something a cult off of.
Cults are pretty ugly things. They're usually cut off from the world, children may be abused, things that are against the law may be practiced and people aren't generally free to leave. I wouldn't call a religion that lightly, but that's just me. XP
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:55 pm


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A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3

Actually, according to Christianity, all religions except theirs is a cult 3nodding
Not entirely sure if offense was intended 3nodding

No offense taken whether you intended any or not. XD
Plus I don't know any Christians who would call all religions but ours a cult, but maybe that's just me...

And Itachi I'm not sure I see that, at least when it comes to Christianity (it's the only one I have enough knowledge of to defend, so sorry I can't defend the others sweatdrop ). How was it exclusive? If it lasts thousands of years, can it have been a fad at one point? Who was the charismatic leader?
The only one that applies might be the last one, but any new idea is usually considered such. I don't think it's the only thing you should base calling something a cult off of.
Cults are pretty ugly things. They're usually cut off from the world, children may be abused, things that are against the law may be practiced and people aren't generally free to leave. I wouldn't call a religion that lightly, but that's just me. XP
Before I even begin I am going to point out that this is all merely debate, none of it is meant to offend anyone. I would also like to point out that this is going strictly by the definitions.. First off all religions are for he most part considered false by the MAJORITY of the people not following them... if they weren't then things would be complicated.... Christianity was very exclusive in the very beginning if for no other reason than to protect themselves from those who persecuted them... the Romans.... everything is a fad at some point whether or not it lasts for a long time by those who love it or believe in it or not... to those who are not Christians they could say that Jesus was the charismatic leader... the way he did things was extremely different and considered wrong by the society he lived in... it was very unorthodox and extremist at the time... and asto pointing out the hurting and killing of children and such must I point out the witch trials and the Inquisition.... I know those were after christianity had grown but cults generally don't do that kind of thing on a large scale until it has grown to a certain size... and also you have to admit that normally people inside the cults either don't notice or ignore or don't talk about the bad aspects of the cult and thus how would we know that there weren't things done earlier on in the days of christianity that were wrong... I only went on about christianity because it was the one brought up in conversation.... and it's the only one I know enough about to full on question like this because I know so much of its history having been raised in it... going by the definition it was a cult... and the fad part of the definition is a different, nonreligious meaning of the word normally used to describe a movie or something that wasn't meant to be big but acquires a huge following and eventually a subculture.... much like the rocky horror picture show..... and therefore isn't included in the analysis....

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:58 pm


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Shearaha
A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3

Actually, according to Christianity, all religions except theirs is a cult 3nodding
Not entirely sure if offense was intended 3nodding

No offense taken whether you intended any or not. XD
Plus I don't know any Christians who would call all religions but ours a cult, but maybe that's just me...

And Itachi I'm not sure I see that, at least when it comes to Christianity (it's the only one I have enough knowledge of to defend, so sorry I can't defend the others sweatdrop ). How was it exclusive? If it lasts thousands of years, can it have been a fad at one point? Who was the charismatic leader?
The only one that applies might be the last one, but any new idea is usually considered such. I don't think it's the only thing you should base calling something a cult off of.
Cults are pretty ugly things. They're usually cut off from the world, children may be abused, things that are against the law may be practiced and people aren't generally free to leave. I wouldn't call a religion that lightly, but that's just me. XP


Now for preference I'd use Oxford, but as I can't...

Merriam Webster

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: ˈkəlt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date: 1617

1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion


Christianity, Shinto, Wicca and Islam therefore qualify. The type of group you are describing is another definition, yes, but is not the only definition, and that's what Shearaha was pointing out. The term has only recently been used in a derogatory manner.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:11 am


Hmmm, well, most religions, or those we now "accept" as religions started out as a cult.
As far as saving this woman:
1) She jumped off a building. Is she even alive?
2) Her decisions, whether good for her or not, are her decisions. You just have to accept that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:10 am


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Hmmm, well, most religions, or those we now "accept" as religions started out as a cult.
As far as saving this woman:
1) She jumped off a building. Is she even alive?
2) Her decisions, whether good for her or not, are her decisions. You just have to accept that.

She jumped off the 4th floor of the building and fell on the roof of the 2nd floor and got her one leg broken. Is it clear?
She's not the only one who suffered from it. All of her family are living in agony. they blame each other and her 1st daughter, 50-year-old, has the early symptom of melancholia.
I'm trying to find the way --not only to save but also save other followers and their families.
So firstly, I need to prove it is definately a satanic sect.
Secondly, I need UN and the most countries' psychologists to diagnose it.
Finally, I hope people don't judge anything for political reasons or their own benefits.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:53 pm


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A cult is any religion with rites and/or rituals. Christianity is a cult, Wica is a cult, Islam is a cult, Shinto is a cult.

Definitions of cult on the Web:

followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Since those religions don't fit the above defintions, they aren't cults. :3

Actually, according to Christianity, all religions except theirs is a cult 3nodding
Not entirely sure if offense was intended 3nodding

No offense taken whether you intended any or not. XD
Plus I don't know any Christians who would call all religions but ours a cult, but maybe that's just me...

And Itachi I'm not sure I see that, at least when it comes to Christianity (it's the only one I have enough knowledge of to defend, so sorry I can't defend the others sweatdrop ). How was it exclusive? If it lasts thousands of years, can it have been a fad at one point? Who was the charismatic leader?
The only one that applies might be the last one, but any new idea is usually considered such. I don't think it's the only thing you should base calling something a cult off of.
Cults are pretty ugly things. They're usually cut off from the world, children may be abused, things that are against the law may be practiced and people aren't generally free to leave. I wouldn't call a religion that lightly, but that's just me. XP


Now for preference I'd use Oxford, but as I can't...

Merriam Webster

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: ˈkəlt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date: 1617

1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion


Christianity, Shinto, Wicca and Islam therefore qualify. The type of group you are describing is another definition, yes, but is not the only definition, and that's what Shearaha was pointing out. The term has only recently been used in a derogatory manner.

That's a good point, and I'll admit the Oxford definition is a lot more accurate then Google's. ^_^ Calling a religious group a cult is still insulting though. Most people, when they refer to a cult, mean a group that's unhealthy in their beliefs in some way. It's just not the ideal term for most religious groups, even when it applies.

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