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 Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:19 am
So I was watching Death Note in the very very early hours of the morning. For anyone who's not familiar with the story, it's about a teenage boy who gets a notebook that gives him the power to kill people, and he plans to use this power to create a new world in which he is a god.
And it made me think, can a mortal become a god simply because he calls himself one?
Which made me think, what makes a person a god?
It obviously differs from culture to culture and person to person, so what do you think?
Does a god need to be able to perform miracles?
Does a god need to be a person? A certain gender?
What exactly is the difference between mortal and god?
Can a person become a god? And if so, who decides who is a god and who isn't?
Note, I'm not asking what god(s) you believe in, just what criteria a being would need to meet for you to consider them a god. No worship involved.
Also, I hope made sense. It's 4:00am here, haha.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:15 am
I define godhood as true freedom. Meaning you can do anything, know anything, experience anything.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:31 pm
I'm not sure how I would define a god... I'm thinking you have to be immortal and be able to inspire people to believe in you as well as having power over something significant or possibly power over everything... also at the mention of deathnote I must point out that Kira is not immortal and therefore not a god and L rules... XD
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:34 pm
I define a "god" as ...
ME! blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:32 pm
Um... What's his name could never be a god because he is using the power of the Deathnote to kill people when in the end the catch is the last name written in the book has to be the owner so he could never be god because the minute he says he don't need the book the creature thing just kills him and bam! No God for him. But as to define a god 1) Immortal, 2) Is Kind yet knows discipline, 3) Can perform some sort of cool miracle, 4) Isn't Human nor anything physically tangible unless they wanna be. Thats my critera for a god.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:54 pm
I define a god as a supreme, all-knowing being posessing omnipotence and omnipresence.
Which happens to be how I might begin to describe my G-d....
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:15 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:05 pm
If there is a god, I don't believe it could be a person. God wouldn't have a physical being, just an all knowing diety.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:00 pm
@ AllSevenDeadlySins, Shiori Miko, and Lumanny: If they had existed, would you not consider the gods from Greek, Norse, etc. mythology gods then? They certainly had power over mortals, but they were not all-knowing and some had no powers at all.
@ Zslone2: If a god is cruel, can it not be a god?
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:20 pm
brainnsoup @ AllSevenDeadlySins, Shiori Miko, and Lumanny: If they had existed, would you not consider the gods from Greek, Norse, etc. mythology gods then? They certainly had power over mortals, but they were not all-knowing and some had no powers at all.
@ Zslone2: If a god is cruel, can it not be a god? Damn. You beat me to it. I must be getting old. I was going to bring up the Hellenic and Norse Gods because they are far from being omnipotent and omniscient.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:52 pm
I think it depends on if you mean 'god' with a lower-case g or God with an uppercase. The gods are mythical, weak, and underserving. You can see their falseness by how human they act. They make for great stories, but aren't worth worship or reverence. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal, the wellspring from which light and love flow, the origon of beauty and strength, the Creator of Heaven and earth, the I AM, the one who Saves and heals, redeemer of man, King of kings and Lord of lords, the One from which all original ideas flow, so glorious angels have to cover their eyes...*pants*
Basically to be God you have to be able to Save mankind from themselves, love's gotta be part of your nature, you have to always have existed, and you've got to be omnipotent, omninescent, and the source of all that is good.
http://www.allaboutgod.com/who-is-god-c.htm
http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whatlike.html
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:12 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I think it depends on if you mean 'god' with a lower-case g or God with an uppercase. The gods are mythical, weak, and underserving. You can see their falseness by how human they act. They make for great stories, but aren't worth worship or reverence. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal, the wellspring from which light and love flow, the origon of beauty and strength, the Creator of Heaven and earth, the I AM, the one who Saves and heals, redeemer of man, King of kings and Lord of lords, the One from which all original ideas flow, so glorious angels have to cover their eyes...*pants* Basically to be God you have to be able to Save mankind from themselves, love's gotta be part of your nature, you have to always have existed, and you've got to be omnipotent, omninescent, and the source of all that is good. http://www.allaboutgod.com/who-is-god-c.htm http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whatlike.html
If God is the creator of everything good, who created everything else? If not Him, why is this other being not a God?
Why does a God have to be good and loving to be a God? If a being created the earth and man, was all-knowing and all-powerful, has always existed, but is cruel- or even just apathetic- is it not a God?
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:51 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx I think it depends on if you mean 'god' with a lower-case g or God with an uppercase. The gods are mythical, weak, and underserving. You can see their falseness by how human they act. They make for great stories, but aren't worth worship or reverence. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal, the wellspring from which light and love flow, the origon of beauty and strength, the Creator of Heaven and earth, the I AM, the one who Saves and heals, redeemer of man, King of kings and Lord of lords, the One from which all original ideas flow, so glorious angels have to cover their eyes...*pants* Basically to be God you have to be able to Save mankind from themselves, love's gotta be part of your nature, you have to always have existed, and you've got to be omnipotent, omninescent, and the source of all that is good. http://www.allaboutgod.com/who-is-god-c.htm http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whatlike.html
If God is the creator of everything good, who created everything else? If not Him, why is this other being not a God?
Why does a God have to be good and loving to be a God? If a being created the earth and man, was all-knowing and all-powerful, has always existed, but is cruel- or even just apathetic- is it not a God?The proof is in that we can explain what those gods were supposed to do, and some of them were from tales about the earth existing on the back of a turtle, or other things like that. Sure, but He also acts above them. He still loves us, even though it probably would've been easier for Him to just start over and forget about us. He also uses the most unexpected things and people to get His point across. God reated everything, but satan twisted some things. Anything that involves the absence of God, or that was twisted by satan is bad. That's the only kind of God I'd worship, and through what He's done for man, that's the type of God He's proven Himself to be. Just take a look at nature and say that comes form an evil or indifferent god. Or at man- we mess up, but I doubt there's anyone who strives to be evil. Instead, most strive to be good and decent people, so clearly if we were created, it was by a good Creator.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:55 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx I think it depends on if you mean 'god' with a lower-case g or God with an uppercase. The gods are mythical, weak, and underserving. You can see their falseness by how human they act. They make for great stories, but aren't worth worship or reverence. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal, the wellspring from which light and love flow, the origon of beauty and strength, the Creator of Heaven and earth, the I AM, the one who Saves and heals, redeemer of man, King of kings and Lord of lords, the One from which all original ideas flow, so glorious angels have to cover their eyes...*pants* Basically to be God you have to be able to Save mankind from themselves, love's gotta be part of your nature, you have to always have existed, and you've got to be omnipotent, omninescent, and the source of all that is good. http://www.allaboutgod.com/who-is-god-c.htm http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whatlike.html
If God is the creator of everything good, who created everything else? If not Him, why is this other being not a God?
Why does a God have to be good and loving to be a God? If a being created the earth and man, was all-knowing and all-powerful, has always existed, but is cruel- or even just apathetic- is it not a God?The proof is in that we can explain what those gods were supposed to do, and some of them were from tales about the earth existing on the back of a turtle, or other things like that. Sure, but He also acts above them. He still loves us, even though it probably would've been easier for Him to just start over and forget about us. He also uses the most unexpected things and people to get His point across. God reated everything, but satan twisted some things. Anything that involves the absence of God, or that was twisted by satan is bad. That's the only kind of God I'd worship, and through what He's done for man, that's the type of God He's proven Himself to be. Just take a look at nature and say that comes form an evil or indifferent god. Or at man- we mess up, but I doubt there's anyone who strives to be evil. Instead, most strive to be good and decent people, so clearly if we were created, it was by a good Creator.
Were the ancient pagan gods not superior to humans? Even when they were sometimes neglectful or vengeful, they still controlled people's fates.
Didn't He just start over and forget about the first batch of humans with the flood?
And what is the proof that He is behind those unexpected things?
If God created everything, did He also create disease, death, Satan?
This isn't related to the thread at all, I've just always wondered, if Satan is evil and God is all-powerful, why doesn't He just get rid of Satan?
Haha, I think whoever created nature has a pretty dark sense of humor. There's pretty animals that we can eat... And pretty animals that can eat us. You can be lost at sea and dying of thirst, surrounded by water, but if you drink it it will kill you. Same with poison berries, poison mushrooms, and any other poison plants Bear Grylls has warned me about.
Same with people, we're unbelievably complicated and incredible, but we also keep breaking all the time. Broken bones, organ failure, mental illness, and that death thing.
Not that there aren't amazing things in the world, but it's far from perfection. If somebody did create this world and us on purpose, it definitely wasn't on the intention of giving us paradise.
Either some mistakes were made, or somebody wanted us to suffer a little bit.
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:04 am
God is what we make it, until we can prove otherwise.
Because if there is a God, then humanity (most of us at least, or I'm being left out) have no clue what that/those God(s) want or are like. So until we find the "real" God, all we have nothing but our ideas to follow.
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