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 Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:43 pm
My aunt, who is a very strict Christian, recently found out that she had Parkinson's Disease. It hasn't progressed very far, but she refuses to take medication. Instead, she started looking up little home remedies, started praying about it, stuff like that. And it's tough because I don't see that helping and though she can't cure it, Parkinson's is manageable with medication and medication would, as I understand it, severely slow its progress. I know that it has something to do with her faith. But I don't know exactly why she won't get treatment. My dad explained it to me as something along the lines of she believes that everything that happens is God's will, and if it is His will, she will get better. But this is obviously frustrating for me as an atheist. On that same note, everybody's heard horror stories of sick children dying because their parent's refuse medical treatment and pray instead. -What exactly are religious reasons behind refusing medical treatment? -Is it okay to refuse medical treatment for yourself? If you knew somebody who was, would you try to change their minds even if they were doing it because of their religion? -Is it alright for a parent to deny their child medication/treatment? Even for religious reasons? Should parents who do be punished?
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:40 pm
That does sound frustrating. You mind if I pray for your aunt?
-To tell the truth, I really don't get why they do it either. sweatdrop
-It is okay (I mean, it's their own life, right?) but I would try to convince anyone I knew to get treatment if they needed it. If it were because of a Christian basis, I'd go find some verses on why getting treatment is good (like there's one about the plants of the earth being good for medicinal uses and you could also argue that if your body's His temple then you should take the best care it you can, including through medication).
-I don't think they should be punished (in their eyes they did nothing wrong), but I think the choice should be taken out of their hands. That doesn't mean their kid should be taken away from them, but just that if they hold that belief, someone else should mabe responsible for the kid's healthcare.
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:04 pm
brainnsoup My aunt, who is a very strict Christian, recently found out that she had Parkinson's Disease. It hasn't progressed very far, but she refuses to take medication. Instead, she started looking up little home remedies, started praying about it, stuff like that. And it's tough because I don't see that helping and though she can't cure it, Parkinson's is manageable with medication and medication would, as I understand it, severely slow its progress. I know that it has something to do with her faith. But I don't know exactly why she won't get treatment. My dad explained it to me as something along the lines of she believes that everything that happens is God's will, and if it is His will, she will get better. But this is obviously frustrating for me as an atheist. On that same note, everybody's heard horror stories of sick children dying because their parent's refuse medical treatment and pray instead. -What exactly are religious reasons behind refusing medical treatment? -Is it okay to refuse medical treatment for yourself? If you knew somebody who was, would you try to change their minds even if they were doing it because of their religion? -Is it alright for a parent to deny their child medication/treatment? Even for religious reasons? Should parents who do be punished? Well, first, I'd like to say sorry about your aunt. I had my grandma who lived with us have very similar conditions about her medications and let's just say it wasn't pretty... I think the religious reasons are hard for other people to understand, because they're a matter of faith. Maybe someone who believes in not taking medication will post and enlighten us... I think it's your right to refuse medication, so yes, that would be okay. But you also need to think about how not taking the medication might hurt your friends and family before you decide. I would personally try to change their mind, but would accept it if I couldn't. I don't think parents should deny children medical treatment, especially if it's something serious (i.e. cancer, pneumonia, tuberculosis) but if the child refuses treatment, that is their right. The parents should have to let their children take the medications. That's just wrong.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:22 am
My mother used to have a very strict Christian doctor. When she talked of her pain(she messed up her spine big time), he prescribed Bible verses. And whenever one of his patients became pregnant he forced them to watch a video of an abortion, even if the pregnant woman isn't considering abortion!
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:38 am
Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do!
I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:17 am
Shiori Miko My mother used to have a very strict Christian doctor. When she talked of her pain(she messed up her spine big time), he prescribed Bible verses. And whenever one of his patients became pregnant he forced them to watch a video of an abortion, even if the pregnant woman isn't considering abortion! What kind of doctor was this?
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:27 am
SuchSweetSadism Shiori Miko My mother used to have a very strict Christian doctor. When she talked of her pain(she messed up her spine big time), he prescribed Bible verses. And whenever one of his patients became pregnant he forced them to watch a video of an abortion, even if the pregnant woman isn't considering abortion! What kind of doctor was this? No kidding! That's horrible! He doesn't sound like a Christian doctor! eek
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:30 pm
Artto Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do! I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions. My point was that punishing them probably wouldn't do anything but make them go undergrond. Wouldn't that be bad for the child? At least if they aren't punished, someone other then the parents might find out and be able to get the child help.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:38 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Artto Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do! I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions. My point was that punishing them probably wouldn't do anything but make them go undergrond. Wouldn't that be bad for the child? At least if they aren't punished, someone other then the parents might find out and be able to get the child help. They should be held responsible for neglecting their child. It's almost the same as if they were beating their child, and thought it was the proper way of maintaining discipline. And they can't really go underground, if they have other relatives.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:51 pm
SuchSweetSadism Shiori Miko My mother used to have a very strict Christian doctor. When she talked of her pain(she messed up her spine big time), he prescribed Bible verses. And whenever one of his patients became pregnant he forced them to watch a video of an abortion, even if the pregnant woman isn't considering abortion! What kind of doctor was this? A really reallly bad one.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:23 pm
Artto xxEternallyBluexx Artto Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do! I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions. My point was that punishing them probably wouldn't do anything but make them go undergrond. Wouldn't that be bad for the child? At least if they aren't punished, someone other then the parents might find out and be able to get the child help. They should be held responsible for neglecting their child. It's almost the same as if they were beating their child, and thought it was the proper way of maintaining discipline. And they can't really go underground, if they have other relatives. They could avoid letting it be known when their child's sick and avoid conventional medicine. They could even move to say somewhere where the laws are different.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:47 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Artto Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do! I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions. My point was that punishing them probably wouldn't do anything but make them go undergrond. Wouldn't that be bad for the child? At least if they aren't punished, someone other then the parents might find out and be able to get the child help. They should be held responsible for neglecting their child. It's almost the same as if they were beating their child, and thought it was the proper way of maintaining discipline. And they can't really go underground, if they have other relatives. They could avoid letting it be known when their child's sick and avoid conventional medicine. They could even move to say somewhere where the laws are different. The same could be said for any crime.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:55 pm
Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Artto Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do! I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions. My point was that punishing them probably wouldn't do anything but make them go undergrond. Wouldn't that be bad for the child? At least if they aren't punished, someone other then the parents might find out and be able to get the child help. They should be held responsible for neglecting their child. It's almost the same as if they were beating their child, and thought it was the proper way of maintaining discipline. And they can't really go underground, if they have other relatives. They could avoid letting it be known when their child's sick and avoid conventional medicine. They could even move to say somewhere where the laws are different. The same could be said for any crime. Alright, I give up, have them punished. Like I said before, I don't really get why they refuse medication either. But you don't think the kids should actually be taken out of their care do you, so long as they provide for the child's other needs?
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:03 pm
Taking medication is all up to the individual. They have every right to choose not to take and to decide for themselves what they think is the best treatment.
I think medication is a useful thing, but it shouldn't become a thing that we depend up to the point of addiction.
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:06 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Artto Parents should be punished. It doesn't matter if they didn't know it was wrong. What kind of a defence is that? Oh yeah, I killed that guy, but I thought it was the right thing to do! I hate it when stupid things get a free pass, just because they are done due to religious convictions. My point was that punishing them probably wouldn't do anything but make them go undergrond. Wouldn't that be bad for the child? At least if they aren't punished, someone other then the parents might find out and be able to get the child help. They should be held responsible for neglecting their child. It's almost the same as if they were beating their child, and thought it was the proper way of maintaining discipline. And they can't really go underground, if they have other relatives. They could avoid letting it be known when their child's sick and avoid conventional medicine. They could even move to say somewhere where the laws are different. The same could be said for any crime. Alright, I give up, have them punished. Like I said before, I don't really get why they refuse medication either. But you don't think the kids should actually be taken out of their care do you, so long as they provide for the child's other needs? Maybe the children just get medical emancipation, so a judge or something decides how they're treated medically rather than the parents.
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