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Semiremis
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:56 pm


I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for:

a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris).

b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place.

c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God.


I don't know how this applies to any in this Guild but honestly, I think that whole IQ high has been leaned on far too much. Some of the most idiotic things I've ever heard have come out of the mouths of atheists (it definitely rivals some of the most idiotic things I've heard from theists.)

So why do so many atheists seem to think that they are special and smart and the only ones capable of critical thought? or is this not prevalent and I'm for some reason just lucky in coming across those who fit this stereotype?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:21 pm


I agree. I mean, I am definitely not a Christian (for reasons I'm not even going to get into right now) but even though I have not decided a religion, I believe there is a higher power up there.

But I don't assume people don't question their beliefs. Almost everyone does!

And science and religion doesn't conflict; except if you look at the Bible or something similar and take it literally.

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Julri

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:35 am


I tend to agree with you. There are certain atheists I've met who use their disbelief in God as a means of making themselves feel superior to others, just as I've met people from just about every religion who use their faith to justify being condescending to others. I find it interesting though that usually the people who accuse anyone with different beliefs than theirs of being stupid or unreasonable are usually stupid and unreasonable themselves. Oh, well. Perhaps it's just insecurity in their own beliefs that makes them so hostile to others.

Of course, I have met some atheists who were very tolerant and accepting of other faiths. I think it's just that in every group you get some nice people and some annoying people.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:45 am


I am an atheist but I respect the beliefs of others so I tend to have a fair debate on views out of sheer curiosity and rather wishful thinking (I wish I could be religious, but my pessimistic views on life lead me to believe otherwise). Therefore, I don't tend to come right out and say "you are WRONG", because that would just be rude and to each their own I s'pose.
Saying that though, I have met other atheists that are rather arrogant and you would be correct to say that they are usually the younger ones but I believe that their main point for this would be that they feel that science trumps believing in "an invisible man in the clouds". (Note that I put quotation marks around this words as they are the words from others, not myself.)

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Artto

PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:17 am


Ayumila
I am an atheist but I respect the beliefs of others so I tend to have a fair debate on views out of sheer curiosity and rather wishful thinking (I wish I could be religious, but my pessimistic views on life lead me to believe otherwise).


That's not a very good reason to be an atheist razz

Anyway, my thoughts on this:
I'm an atheist, firstly because I wasn't brought up in a religious family (not really brought up as an atheist, but aside from my grandmother, no one in my family went to church or was overly religious), and later in life, because I've looked into and contemplated these things and took what I feel is the most reasonable position. And, of course, I DO think I am RIGHT.
I have no good reason to believe there is any kind of deity. Now, to be clear, that doesn't mean nobody has a good reason to believe such a thing. I do remain open to the possibility, that some people do have a reason to believe in a god, although it does seem that most don't.
Furthermore, I do remain open to the possibility of a deity existing (however unlikely it seems to me at this moment), and am fully prepared to accept it, provided the sufficient evidence.
I like to think of myself as a reasonable person, and am striving to have as little wrong or unwarranted beliefs as I can, or as is practically possible.

I do find some theists to be anti-science, especially the "creation science" and ID nuts. And oversimplifications come from the theist camp, too. I for one hate it, when someone tells me that I'm irrational because I "believe that nothing exploded and created everything". It really makes me quite frustrated, and I think I can't be blamed if I then oversimplify the theist position and say they believe "a magic man in the sky did it."

On the matter of respecting peoples' beliefs - I don't respect beliefs that I think are wrong, nor do I think anyone should. If you think I am wrong, you have no obligation to respect my beliefs (it would be rather silly actually). You are however encouraged to explain to me why you think I'm wrong.

And considering the angsty teenage atheists - I hate them too. I hate it when people call themselves atheist just because it makes them some sort of rebel. But I guess that's a part of being a teenager.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:35 pm


A and B aren't exactly exclusive to Athiests.

C reminds me of my 8th grade science class. "If you're religious and a scientist aren't you a hypocrite?" "Or you could throw both out the window and be a scientologist."

Shiori Miko


Semiremis
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:53 pm


Shiori Miko
A and B aren't exactly exclusive to Athiests.


*nods* They definitely aren't 3nodding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:59 pm


My biggest pet peeve is when people assume my beliefs.

•When they assume that I reject the existence of a deity.
I don't, I merely don't believe in any.

•When they assume I automatically believe in the Big Bang or evolution.
I'm on the fence about details of how the universe was created. Though, to be honest, I've never payed much attention to theories of the creation of the universe.
But evolution has been proven.

Featherbrook


Semiremis
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:28 pm


Featherbrook
My biggest pet peeve is when people assume my beliefs.

•When they assume that I reject the existence of a deity.
I don't, I merely don't believe in any.

•When they assume I automatically believe in the Big Bang or evolution.
I'm on the fence about details of how the universe was created. Though, to be honest, I've never payed much attention to theories of the creation of the universe.
But evolution has been proven.


I hear ya.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:11 pm


I'm 17, I'm also an atheist.
I'm super opinionated, and when I get a chance to dig my claws in I will debate with you over anything you care to mention.

I would never even consider confronting someone else’s faith.

You know what my pet peeve is?

People who assume all Young atheist's are Morons, Just because we don't believe something we can't see.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:20 pm


Semiremis
I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for:

a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris).

b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place.

c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God.
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That annoys me too. What annoys me most is when someone automatically believes I'm not interested in science just because I'm a creationist, or that I'm brainwashed, or that it's science versus God. I love animal science (It's one of my favorite things to observe, and read about), but I haven't read anything to really convince me of evolution. Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:08 pm


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Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?


Of course you do. However, other people have the right to tell you that you're wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:08 pm


Artto
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Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?


Of course you do. However, other people have the right to tell you that you're wrong.
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Then I'll tell them they're wrong, politely if possible, but still.


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