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 Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:25 pm
The Brotherhood as a pack will never be disbanded; it will never officially lose its pack status. But that is not to say that it simply won't fade into the shadows and become little more than a dark fairy tale a young mother tells her litter so as to keep them safe in their dens. Whether or not the ShadowClan dies or thrives is entirely up to you and those you interact with.
This particular clan, and its alpha are determined by those who are active with their BrotherHood wolves. The rank does not matter, all have an equal share in deciding who will carry on the title of alpha; whether or not this occurs inside or out of roleplay is up to the collective owners. A new alpha can be picked by the active owners if and when it has been determined that the previous alpha(and owner,) has become inactive or otherwise unable to fulfill their role in the RP environment.
How all of this occurs inside RP is up to you. If the alpha is changed off the board (out of in-game roleplay,) everyone could simply just go with the... "WE DO NOT SPEAK OF IT." or the... "WE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF THE FALLEN. IT IS BAD JUJU."
In this thread, you may freely discuss and generally hold court or council of how to decide and proceed on electing a new pack alpha.
How you go about this is up to all of you. Whether it's a clear cut decision (this person has been MIA for XXmonths, NEW ALPHA y/n? YAY! Agreed.) or a messy ordeal (b***h AIN'T HERE. YES THEY IS. NO THEY AINT! *BRAWL ENSUES, one victor stumbles forth* NEW ALPHA RIGHT HERE!) is determined by all active users involved.
Providing 'evidence' or 'proof' of insufficient RP activity of the MIA alpha will most assuredly help the whole process along. It's not required, but it is helpful.
If all are stuck at a stalemate on the decision, compose a quick summation of the current events and your desire for a tie-breaking opinion and PM it to InkHound. The reply will be posted in this thread; it is there to help everyone decide, it is by no means an order or a demand. It's merely a third-party vote and/or opinion.
Once the new alpha is appointed and agreed upon by all (or at least 75-90% majority; ) PM the completely filled out form at the bottom of this post to the Shaoilin mule or InkHound.
If the elected alpha is an existing wolf within the Brotherhood Clan, it will be considered a Minor Edit. Thirty thousand gold must be sent to the mule along with the form.
Who pays this fee can be anyone or everyone, it is up to the collective users.
If the elected alpha is an existing wolf outside of Brotherhood Clan, it will be considered a Rank Change. Fifty thousand gold must be sent to the mule along with the form.
Who pays this fee can be anyone or everyone, it is up to the collective users.
If the elected alpha is a non-existent wolf entirely, it will be considered a Substantial edit Custom. One million gold must be sent to the mule along with the form.
Who pays this fee can be anyone or everyone, it is up to the collective users.
This option is heavily discouraged and requires written documentation of acceptance by all active users within the ShadowClan.
Who shall Succeed Him?
[b]Name of Wolf[/b]:
[b]Uncerted Img of Wolf[/b]:
[b]Type[/b]: (is it an outsider, someone from within the pack, or a nonexistent wolf? If it is a nonexistent wolf, fill out the custom form in addition to this)
[b]Distinguishing[/b]: (any outside edits such as scars, expression, trinkets...)
[b]Documentation[/b]: (required screenshots of each and every active user agreeing to a nonexistent wolf being commissioned into the Brotherhood Clan as the alpha)
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:42 pm
Right then *rubs her hands together* I'm going to be bold and make the first post.
Okay, I've been concerned about the BH for some time, I believe it was myself that questioned it within the last month or so within the main shop thread. I personally believe a new alpha must be chosen, for the event was now over a year ago and the pack has very little activity. I know it should not be the total responsibility for the owner of the alpha to run the pack thread, but I do believe they play the largest part within it and most owners will rely on that person to run the pack and RP a great deal to insure interest.
Now I don't think the number of Rps an owner of a BH wolf has taken part in should fully dictate a right to run the pack but I do think it shows more dedication to the pack though very few of the wolves seem to have been Rped, plotted perhaps, but not Rped. So I suggest that the alpha is chosen in relation to plots but also a show of deciation to SW in general, for those that are about more and do give a lot of time to SW are going to be effective and interested in looking after and running the pack.
However, I do also think perhaps the beta male, not Betzalel but Occidio (owned by Bullseye) needs to be reconsidered as well, as like Kou and I are trying to do with Draug Faroth, we want to encourage those with wolves in higher ranks to help run the pack, so it doesn't all fall on the alpha's owners shoulders and seeing as there is only one alpha within the BH that owner would effectively have more responsibility in running the pack and also RPing than other pack alpha owners.
So what I suggest is that that the alpha is decided upon after some debate and then a beta male and RP wise the nominated pair can then work together to rally the others to their cause and usurper Danel.
May I be so bold then as to nominate Milo's Rummy as alpha? And also my own Cocidius as the beta. My argument for these to is that Milo has been about SW for a long time now, how long I am not sure but long enough to know she's chalked up a few Rps and has Rped her BH wolf probably the most and was one of the RP contest wolves, not one of the give away ones. My argument for Cocidius is that I have been about SW from the start, though I left Gaia for a few years due to RL issues, but I also help run Draug Faroth with Kou and she will tell you I put a lot into that, albeit its only a newly formed pack but still. I also have helped with a lot of plots concerning RoT which I'm sure Roxy will tell you. So in turn I would love to help out with the running of the BH pack alongside the alpha's owner.
Rant over.
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:34 pm
XD *pets Jungle*
I can't technically nominate Satoru unless everyone wants a happy-go-lucky dude. I've contacted Elros Namasi a few times and helped her compile a list of peeps who also own BH wolves (active and non-active), which was how she got that other thread going. I had also been planning to let Sato become an omega to help out Elapse with the pupnappings/teachings, not to mention the complete irony of having a shiny wolf in a shadowy pack was something I couldn't resist.
I think what we need to do more like is contact the vagabond's owner, which I shall do now to save us the trouble, as he carries most of the pack's current plot, so to speak. XD; I shall post again when I have an answer.
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:53 pm
Technically... i made the move for the usurping in the thread first. xDDDD But yah.
Key players in the pack's history have been really... not in touch with SW. I didn't check if the others were but the owner of the Alpha hasn't been here much while being elsewhere.
I have a few thoughts or suggestions that were somewhat jokingly already stated. Once we choose the new alpha, I think the alpha should have new hands as well. Why would the new god want the FALLEN's used goods? /shot Basically, new god = new betas.
I HIGHLY suggest that we pick someone who already has a presence here in SW and is already with a wolf in the brotherhood. I wouldn't mind putting a second vote behind Milo's Rummy. (But please can I has Panzerfaust or Zelsius as a beta. I say Panzerfaust cause he's an RP won wolf but Zelsius doesn't have the baggage Panzerfaust has about getting the Vagabond, either killing it or silencing it /shot down XD) The old hands don't have to die but can be once more of the gamma crowd. Though the Sword might be an issue, what with the Alpha being his controller just a bit.
This is not particularly only about the alpha succession though. Some further ideas for the pack is that, we can see if DT may be more willing to let some of the current clan wolves become omegas or contest omegas in themselves? This can open the door for more kidnappings or plots as I know the more active SW regulars haven't really had a chance at them.
Jay seems to have gotten down with some of my concerns about the vagabond. So much of a KEY part in the plots of the Brotherhood was the vagabond being let go. It seems a bit hard, trying to deal with a key part of the plot without the vagabond around.
Question: Are we driving him off? Letting him stick around..?
Would Milo be willing to take up this task? A LOT of the reasons I haven't really RP'd my two wolves are because most of the RP is driven by connections with the alpha. Without the active god, it was easy not to do anything. But Milo, or another active SWer, with two other active SWers, can easily do this. I believe.
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:05 pm
With the Alpha gone, so is Betzalel. Dustiel, my adolescent won from the second BH contest has kinda been looking to take his place. (Though it would be a hallow victory for him, with Danel and Betzalel gone)
But I am TOTALLY willing to plot with anyone. Really, just PM me, or poke me in thread. I know I'm not in the thread a lot, but I do check this sub forum of the guild.
I thought maybe...Danel has been having that voice in his head ever since the Vagabond deal...maybe Danel just wondered away and never came back? Betzalel would go off and try and find his beloved god in a never ending journey of epic emo-ness. (and if so, I'd love to see if DT would transfer him to loner lines *totally would pay)
So that Leaves Dustiel, who I would love to plot with yall and have him considered for Beta? His whole story deal is in the one RP thread here that, obviously, has his name in it. XDD
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:42 pm
Well, I'm likely not considered an active owner, since all I've done is hover about, eagerly awaiting something interesting happening so I could jump in...but since I'd love to BECOME active and love this plot so much, I'm dropping my two cents in too.
For what it might be worth.
Basically, I've been watching the Brotherhood obsessively, waiting for something to happen. So, I guess for that, I fail. Still, I wasn't really sure what to do with the heir until the final, canon history was ironed out. Not a lot I could do with Fallyn before knowing that, much as I've been eager to do something with him. Granted, I could have done something with Marrok, since he was a freebie and has no serious ties...but fine, points against me for that one. I just like having an RP setting in place and solid before I jump into it.
Now, as for the structural shake-up...not sure I can really offer much in the way of that either. The heir is...still a coward and going to stay so unless I get some serious, dramatic RP going on if I/he ever hopes to change that even a little some day. And Marrok...well, he's content with being a Gamma, so he's not really looking for more stress and responsibility. XD
(Not to mention, I'd really rather have a bit of Shaoilin RP under my belt before shooting for any major plot points/responsibilities for myself.)
So, all this post REALLY says...is that I'm sorry for failing to appear active, since I've only been lurking, but I'm highly interested in future plotting and RP, so you can count me in! heart
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:50 pm
I could nominate Pretjeni, but I don't know if he's actually leadership material. I mean, he wants to hunt down and kill the Vagabond; he doesn't think the outcast should live to tell their secrets. But at the same time, Jen loves his current Alpha. That's really all his personality that I have. I want to develop him more, and maybe I can get it through nominating him.
I don't know, honestly. I love the Brotherhood, but there's so little going on with it right now. But that's mainly the owner's faults. I wanted an RP between Jen and his Alpha..
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:12 pm
Look, Kage, your enthusiasm is showing! 8D *shot* Let's worry about the alpha first before working on the betas, because their positions are totally subjected to the new alpha's choices ICly even if they're technically decided OOCly.
I don't mind adding a vote to Milo's Rummy, but only if she can be active and help add to the plot when she can. It's only fair to ask of the alpha's owner to do so after all.
Wasn't Pret the one all lusty after someone else in the BHood? XD I'm not sure if he's reliable as an alpha.
Also, I will be in possession of the traitor after talking with Misujage, at least until the point where she decides to come back to take up his rps. Therefore, I have a suggestion - to help start the wolfhunt for Rotiart, maybe there are suspicions of the alpha disappearing because of him? After all, Danel was pretty much bent on cleansing the pack thanks to the voices, and Ro was the epitome of bad blood.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:16 pm
He was, but it fell through. I haven't RPed Jen in a while. :< My fault, but still. I want to get some more personality for him, but eeeh...
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:52 pm
I would be fine with taking the nomination for Rummy to be alpha. If I was given that position, I would make these things pack priorities:
Pack meeting and redistribution of duties (someone would have to take Rummy's old manager jobs, betas would have to be appointed, and then other gammas would be split into teams. Omegas are, of course, pup stealers/sitters.) Ranked members who are no longer active would be considered lost/dead/demoted; regular gammas or omegas who were never roleplayed would just be in stasis and could return if their owners wished.
Initiation and indoctrination of the pups/adolescents from the last RP contest and the few who were stolen before the numbers cap was put in place.
Sending out hunting parties to find the vagabond, and cleaning up any messes he left.
Rummy is a micromanager; that's the kind of alpha-hood he'd have. He'd be on top controlling things but would most likely not take a big personal role. He is not emotional; he is not powered by revenge like the last God. He would run the pack based on what he calculated to be best.
OOCly, I would set up a nicer members list and write up RP requirements for ranked wolves. I'd also set up a system for those who have pups and adult males they want to join the pack. There would also be some kind of event system to encourage RP among the ranks, as it is very difficult to RP Brotherhood wolves outside of the pack.
I don't know how many active Brotherhood members there are and how many we need to make a decision, but that is my platform.
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:15 pm
Hear hear! Milo has addressed my major concern because Panzerfaust's roleplay consideration is that he was the one asking for the vagabond's exile (instead of you know, shutting him up like the inferior he is... stupid no bathing vagabond). I got in contact with The Weapon's owner. :3 My exchange. Demy-Stardust THE kage Hello, I got your new account from another person in SW who knew you got another account different from xx_Bullseye_xx. I'm PM'ing you in regards to the RP won wolf from about a year and a half ago that you won. http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/breedable-changing-pets/cloak-shadow-the-brotherhood-closed-read-pg261/t.41163609_3916/ We're trying to re-start up the pack, as the alpha hasn't been all that active so we want to... usurp it. And have a new Alpha. I'm PM'ing to get your opinion, especially since the wolf you won is the beta that is dependent on the alpha to keep its sanity and whatnot. So we're a bit concerned about what may happen to the wolf and not sure what you may think. Thanks. Hey <3 I honestly...don't want to say anything, because I've never actually RPed (or been in Shao wolves in..quite some time). I really wanted to, but I think with how long it took that contest to be fully judged and some other factors (this year has been hell for me really) I just..never got to it. So honestly, you guys should do what you want to do, because I'd hate to hold you all back when I'm not even really participating in the shop <3 The way I did Occidio's character, he'd probably die to protect the current alpha before even considering a new one oo; I don't, however, know the rules in Shao as far as killing off a character goes, or passing a character on to someone else (since he was a contest win and all) so...I really don't know what to do on my end XD; but I definitely give the go ahead to usurp the pack, at least in my eyes *doesn't have much authority* ~Demy PS: xx_Bullseye_xx is still my account, it's just a mule now XD though I'm glad you guys found this name because I don't check it often <3 Last message sent: Quote: Oh wow thanks for the reply so quickly <3 I'm sorry if things aren't that great for you this year and I appreciate the reply. As far as I know, i think you would be free to send a PM to the mule or make a statement in the main thread (http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/breedable-changing-pets/shaoilin-woods-secret-santa-pickup-564-65/t.7411021/) if you would want the original artist to rehome Occidio so they can work out the plot with the others or give the okay as far as maybe the death of the wolf. Thanks very much for the reply. :3 I sent a pretty much exact pm to the mule, but I noticed it hadn't posted since Dec 2008 and I mentioned it in the main thread. And then someone mentioned knowing that yes you had just gotten another account. I didn't get a reply to that but that's what I've got. So ICly (RP-wise) how would the pack succession take place?
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:17 pm
I get some amusement that the "Heir" is so in title alone, 'cause here we are usurping the Alpha and yet, he is SO not stepping up for the position. rofl
At least not yet.
Anyway, I think the method of succession depends on what we decide is canon as for what is to be done with the current Alpha. If that sentence makes sense. What I mean, is that it depends on if he just wandered off and is MIA, so some eager wolf decides to step up and claim the position...or if it's a more hostile takeover, with the wolf aiming for Alpha challenging Danel directly.
Even if it never actually gets RPed fully, with Elros' absence. It would still be canon in that it happened, if you get what I mean.
I know I was supposed to start up an ORP to get some things moving in the pack. I'll be doing so ASAP; if nothing else, it will be my pair in conversation that anyone else is free to jump into that is looking for SOME BHood RP. It may or may not develop into an RP dealing with the current state of things, but we'll let it develop as it does. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:12 pm
So the word is that, most likely The Weapon will be getting killed. Character death. Since Demy also gave the ok... DeMoNtAiNtEd I think character death would be better for Occidio since I do not believe anyone could play him quite as well as Demy could have.... Either that or he goes off on a never ending quest to find his alpha. pfft~ xD
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:29 pm
Betzalel, if it's chosen that Danel goes MIA(which I would heartily prefer) will be going in the never ending quest. XD
And, as far as Avidimi and Dustiel go, by all means, feel MORE THAN FREE to contact me and plot, whether it just be your character's opinion and past experiences with mine and what-not.
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:02 pm
So the current question is, what's going to happen to Danel?
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