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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:04 pm


I would really like to know why they havent made one yet. I want to play a pokemon game where you start off in the kanta region and end in the sinnoh region that would be so awesome. i know it woulndt be for the ds cuz there would be way to much memory so it would have to be on the wii. Does anyone know why?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:55 pm


Probably because they're saving it for the last Pokemon game ever made.

And don't be too surprised if it's on the DS. Have you HEARD all that's in HG/SS?! That would have been ten GameBoy cartridges, back in my day!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:11 pm


no i actually havent heard whats on it i just saw some game footage
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Reasons Why This Will Never Happen:

1. Memory concerns. Yes, DS carts can store a LOT of data, but the amount required for something like that would be astronomical. I seriously doubt it'd be able to fit on a single DS cart (and this game WOULD be on a DS cart [or DS's successor] because main Pokémon games are ALWAYS on Nintendo's star handheld).

2. Each region is it's OWN story. They don't need help from each other to make an intriguing tale. It'd be like saying, "Hey! Let's put ALL the Harry Potter books into ONE big book and try to make it one, big continuous story!"

3. It would be BORING. For years already, a nice chunk of the userbase has been tired of the "Kid saves world from Evil Gang and becomes a Pokémon Master" formula the main games have employed since RBY. Hell, I know of a lot of people who are SO sick of it, they really don't want to buy HG/SS because after the first two or three games, it just gets really old, really fast. So having to go through it multiple times (once per region)? No ******** thanks, even for me.

4. And having one continuous storyline that encompasses all the regions (as opposed to each region having it's own storyline) would require too much effort. Pokémon players are, in general, lazy. They don't want to have to do too much work in order to win (just listen to them b***h about Cynthia's Milotic). So giving them a "mile long" storyline instead of the usual "foot long" storyline, so to speak? Those games would tank so fast, they'd make RSE look super popular.

5. It's stupid. Honestly. If you want to ******** around in Sinnoh, play DPPt. If you wanna ******** around in Kanto, play FR/LG. Johto? HG/SS. Orre? Colo/XD. Hoenn? RSE. There is absolutely no reason nor need what-so-ever for all the regions to ever be included in a single game.



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:21 pm


wow you have a really good point there i never really thought of it taking forever just to beat the game i was just thinking theyd do it how they did with g/s/c
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wow you have a really good point there i never really thought of it taking forever just to beat the game i was just thinking theyd do it how they did with g/s/c


GSC and HG/SS, with just Johto and a watered down Kanto, are still really long. And if the starting region was full-fledged and the rest of the regions were watered down, people would b***h about that, too, and not buy the games because it'd just be one decent region with a bunch of worthless ones tacked on (and for what? For profit, the fandom would say).

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:35 pm


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Reasons Why This Will Never Happen:

1. Memory concerns. Yes, DS carts can store a LOT of data, but the amount required for something like that would be astronomical. I seriously doubt it'd be able to fit on a single DS cart (and this game WOULD be on a DS cart [or DS's successor] because main Pokémon games are ALWAYS on Nintendo's star handheld).

Isn't the DS like a mini 64? Eventually the memory wouldn't be a concern, especially since they're adamant about not updating the graphics too much. In five or so years, if not this very day, I doubt memory will be a reason why it doesn't happen.

2. Each region is it's OWN story. They don't need help from each other to make an intriguing tale. It'd be like saying, "Hey! Let's put ALL the Harry Potter books into ONE big and try to make it one, big continuous story!"

It sounds like you're assuming they'd try to make a giant remake with all the old regions. That would be stupid and, for the reason you listed, wouldn't work. If they were seriously going to throw all the regions into one game, I'd expect them to come up with a new storyline to tie them all together. There's no reason the hero can't start in one region and have to travel throughout all the regions during the course of his adventure.

3. It would be BORING. For years already, a nice chunk of the userbase has been tired of the "Kid saves world from Evil Gang and becomes a Pokémon Master" formula the main games have employed since RBY. Hell, I know of a lot of people who are SO sick of it, they really don't want to buy HG/SS because after the first two or three games, it just gets really old, really fast. So having to go through it multiple times (once per region)? No ******** thanks, even for me.

You're assuming they'd stick to the same old formula. Granted, they probably would, just on a bigger scale, but that's not a reason against them making the game. If it were, we wouldn't have a 4th gen. As for fans getting tired of the storyline, the games aren't made for older fans. They're made to bring in new fans. Just like how the anime reuses the same storylines because it can, the games do and can as well.

4. And having one continuous storyline that encompasses all the regions (as opposed to each region having it's own storyline) would require too much effort. Pokémon players are, in general, lazy. They don't want to have to do too much work in order to win (just listen to them b***h about Cynthia's Milotic). So giving them a "mile long" storyline instead of the usual "foot long" storyline, so to speak? Those games would tank so fast, they'd make RSE look super popular.

I won't argue the laziness of players, but I don't think that's a consideration when deciding if the game is a good idea or not. For one, all the other regions that you don't start in could be considered extra content. They could make it not central to the storyline, so you could beat the game in one region, making the game the standard length. Or, they could make it so that you don't have to beat all eight gym leaders per region to win. Like, there could be some world wide competition you're trying to win, instead of the region one, and you only need to beat two gyms per region or something. There are ways to make it work.

5. It's stupid. Honestly. If you want to ******** around in Sinnoh, play DPPt. If you wanna ******** around in Kanto, play FR/LG. Johto? HG/SS. Orre? Colo/XD. Hoenn? RSE. There is absolutely no reason nor need what-so-ever for all the regions to ever be included in a single game.

It's not stupid. And there is a reason for it. The fans have asked about it. The fact that people think "Hey, why don't they make a game with all the regions?" is reason enough to consider it. As for need, well, while ******** around on four different game cartridges is fun and all, having one big game would probably be more convenient for a lot of people.

A reason that I consider legitimate that you've mentioned in the past but didn't mention this time is that if making the game would lower their profit margin. Well, I'm not really sure if that's true. I honestly don't think it is, but it's a legit concern and probably the most important reason to consider. Afterall, if they could make money doing a game like that, I'm sure they'd be more likely to consider it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:12 pm


xd Touché, DJ. Let's see...


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Isn't the DS like a mini 64? Eventually the memory wouldn't be a concern, especially since they're adamant about not updating the graphics too much. In five or so years, if not this very day, I doubt memory will be a reason why it doesn't happen.


In all honesty, I'm not quite sure. There was a lot of memory debate with HG/SS and I never could track down a clear answer on just how much of a DS cart's memory any of the games used. I think D/P used something like 1/4th? Something like that. So I'm assuming that 4+ full-fledged regions would, if not tap out completely a cart's memory, then at least eat up a good chunk of it. Now if they watered down the regions to various degrees, I can see it fitting.


It sounds like you're assuming they'd try to make a giant remake with all the old regions. That would be stupid and, for the reason you listed, wouldn't work. If they were seriously going to throw all the regions into one game, I'd expect them to come up with a new storyline to tie them all together. There's no reason the hero can't start in one region and have to travel throughout all the regions during the course of his adventure.

You're assuming they'd stick to the same old formula. Granted, they probably would, just on a bigger scale, but that's not a reason against them making the game. If it were, we wouldn't have a 4th gen. As for fans getting tired of the storyline, the games aren't made for older fans. They're made to bring in new fans. Just like how the anime reuses the same storylines because it can, the games do and can as well.

Tying these two together, since they're so similar. But I honestly can't see GameFreak changing the formula at all. They haven't in ten years, why start now? I'm not expecting them to, but I was pointing out that a lot of people are so sick of it, they're contemplating not buying the games anymore, so if an All Regions game had that formula, but times, say, five? I can tolerate doing the same plotline over and over again amongst different games. But in the same game? Holy monotony, Batman.

And if they watered down the other regions that much in order to have an all-encompassing storyline instead, why include them at all? If, say, all of west Sinnoh was closed off to us and we could only battle Roark and Gardenia because only Jubilife was important to the storyline, then what's the point? People threw royal bitchfits when we found out that HG/SS Kanto is 90% the same as it was in GSC, so I can only imagine the shitstorm that would happen if GameFreak made an All Regions game, but only one region was full-fledged and the rest were just bits and pieces. To me, something like that seems more like, "We started off with just one region, but then half-assed it and threw it parts of other regions just to say we technically made an All Regions game".



I won't argue the laziness of players, but I don't think that's a consideration when deciding if the game is a good idea or not. For one, all the other regions that you don't start in could be considered extra content. They could make it not central to the storyline, so you could beat the game in one region, making the game the standard length. Or, they could make it so that you don't have to beat all eight gym leaders per region to win. Like, there could be some world wide competition you're trying to win, instead of the region one, and you only need to beat two gyms per region or something. There are ways to make it work.

Except, GameFreak DOES take it into consideration. I haven't slept since I woke up at seven in the evening last night, so the only example I can think of right now is in HG/SS, where on the Pokémon's stats screen, the +10% stat is highlighted in blue and the -10% stat is highlighted in red. And you can't really say, "Oh, they just did that to make people aware of the importance of Natures," because if someone was clueless about this but curious, they could just go online and check to see what Nature raises/hinders what stats.


It's not stupid. And there is a reason for it. The fans have asked about it. The fact that people think "Hey, why don't they make a game with all the regions?" is reason enough to consider it. As for need, well, while ******** around on four different game cartridges is fun and all, having one big game would probably be more convenient for a lot of people.

A reason that I consider legitimate that you've mentioned in the past but didn't mention this time is that if making the game would lower their profit margin. Well, I'm not really sure if that's true. I honestly don't think it is, but it's a legit concern and probably the most important reason to consider. Afterall, if they could make money doing a game like that, I'm sure they'd be more likely to consider it.


But from what I've seen, the only people who ask for it are younger fans, or fans new to the fandom. The older/more experienced fans, though they might like the idea, seem to be aware that such a game is very unlikely, at least for the DS. Now, if they want to put this on the Wii or as an MMO, sure. I can really see that being possible. But as a handheld/main game? No. The storyline required to make an All Regions handheld game successfully work would deviate far too much from the established formula that GameFreak loves very much.

And I dunno about the "one game with EVERYTHING on it would be more convenient." I've gotten by well so far with Diamond having everything and trading junk over to Pearl and Platinum if they needed it. Though I guess that point could just be chalked up to personal preferences.

But oh, definitely. If they thought an All Regions game could make them a pretty penny, they'd make it. But I guess what I've been trying to say is, there are so many things that could go wrong with it and make people hate it, I seriously doubt they'd want to take the chance. At least not with their flagship game series. Side games blah blah blah.



I hope all that made sense. My brain's fried, so I wouldn't be surprised if I was a retard with some points.

And I realize my "People are sick of the formula! But they'll never get rid of/change the formula!" paradox, lol. To clarify, I'm sure people would enjoy a change in the age old formula (e.g. literally saving the entire world in an All Regions game, rather than a singular region), but I can't see GameFreak ever changing it, simply because if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:36 pm


I won't quote that. xD

But, let's see . . .

I can definitely agree that I don't see the formula being changed either. And I'd actually rather not play through a four region game with the same storyline, but, I feel they could change it and make it work. I wouldn't want a watered down version of any region. Making it watered down defeats the initial premise of the game. Gold and Silver had Kanto as a cool extra that tied 2nd to the 1st gen. An all region game wouldn't be like that. It would be made specifically so that all the regions could be together. I think the length and difficulty of the game would be a primary selling point, but, because of that, I don't see it happening. I think an all region game wouldn't target Pokemon's usual audience, so I don't see it happening.

And lastly, about the people that ask for it, I think the reason older fans don't really mention it is because they don't think it would ever happen. I also think if it was done properly, lots if not most older fans would love it. If it wasn't watered down and it had a different plot formula than the norm, the old fans would eat it up.

But yea, it's kind of fun to think about.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:47 pm


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I won't quote that. xD

But, let's see . . .

I can definitely agree that I don't see the formula being changed either. And I'd actually rather not play through a four region game with the same storyline, but, I feel they could change it and make it work. I wouldn't want a watered down version of any region. Making it watered down defeats the initial premise of the game. Gold and Silver had Kanto as a cool extra that tied 2nd to the 1st gen. An all region game wouldn't be like that. It would be made specifically so that all the regions could be together. I think the length and difficulty of the game would be a primary selling point, but, because of that, I don't see it happening. I think an all region game wouldn't target Pokemon's usual audience, so I don't see it happening.

And lastly, about the people that ask for it, I think the reason older fans don't really mention it is because they don't think it would ever happen. I also think if it was done properly, lots if not most older fans would love it. If it wasn't watered down and it had a different plot formula than the norm, the old fans would eat it up.

But yea, it's kind of fun to think about.


We could've made a wall of text the likes of which the internet has never seen!

See, that would make a really cool MMO. You could start in any region, go to any region, do whatever the hell you want, move between the regions at will, and participate in all-encompassing storylines. I'd go for it, and I know so would a lot of others, because an MMORPG is one thing the fandom's been dying to have. But like I said, that same thing as a main game? I just don't see it working and in fact would rather not have it because it'd just deviate so much from the formula we all love to hate and hate to love. It just wouldn't feel like Pokémon, you know?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:13 pm


You know . . . if they'd make it as an mmo . . . . . . . .

I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE IN 3D. >_>

A 3d version of the games where you can walk around and stuff. Yea, that would be the perfect place for an all region game. Especially if you could do things like pick your starting region, and change clothes and stuff. >_>

Oman, I'm getting too excited about something that will never happen. -_-
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:31 pm


Well, I don't think too many people would complain if Hoeen was watered down, according to Tippy's RSE fan counter. XD

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:32 pm


Ehh, Games like Colloseum and XD were boring to me. I'm not saying a 3D pokemon game doesn't have potential, but so far the only pokemon games I like are the handhelds (Minus the spin-offs).
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:36 pm


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Ehh, Games like Colloseum and XD were boring to me. I'm not saying a 3D pokemon game doesn't have potential, but so far the only pokemon games I like are the handhelds (Minus the spin-offs).

D8 I liked Colo! Wes also looked older than ten, for once.
Not too sure about XD.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:37 pm


I never played or had a desire to play those games. They were rpg's, but not like the handhelds, right? An all region game with their design doesn't sounds fun. >_>
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