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AngesRadieux
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:27 pm


So, I've been listening to a bunch of people sing "Bring Him Home" because I've been teaching it to myself and I'm trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.

Want to know what REALLY doesn't work?

BAD VOWELS! It's REALLY irritating to listen to what should be a very beautiful interpretation that's completely ruined by awful, awful vowels. First off, it's "Soon", not "Seuwn", so GET THAT "EW" SOUD OUT OF THERE! It's "You", not "Yow" or "Yew". Please, for the sake of all of your listeners, get the "oo" sound right! It's not that freaking hard! Also, do us ALL a favor and watch the dipthongs. It's "Give", not "Geev". Please say the word right. "Die" is NOT "Diey". PLEASE sing it on the "I" and don't close down to the "E" vowel sound until the very end of the note. It will sound better, I promise! And DON'T get hung up on "Y's". Get the Y out of the way and get to the freaking vowel already! "Y" is an ugly sound, so get out quickly and don't linger on it. Move ON already!

Sheesh! You'd think professional singers could AT LEAST get their vowels right!
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:56 pm


I'm sad now, I don't know if I'm doing anything right when I sing in the shower or my car... crying crying crying

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:57 pm


Dont worry Asha Anges is going to be a famou singer someday, shes just trying to put down he competition. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:00 pm


Yeah, but the people she's talking about are nowhere near the genre she's going to be singing in. She sings opera! She's definately not going to have to worry about Faith Hill or Rihanna. lol

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:05 pm


Well then unless your planning to sing opera someday then I dont hink anybody will really care how you sing your vowels.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:09 pm


Whew...its a good thing I don't have the ability to belt my voice, or else I might have to worry about a beat down!
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AngesRadieux
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:47 pm


Actually, I'm talking about Broadway. And yes, in Broadway vowels are still important. There was on guy on Britain's Got Talent who sang "Bring Him Home" (saw it on Youtube) and I fully expected Simon to tear him to bits because of the way he butchered the word "High" in the first phrase. Singers should never, ever, ever close down to the second vowel sound of a word like "high" or "die" until the very end of the note. Ever.

And belting has nothing to do with it. Belters can sing their vowels the right way, too the same way a classically trained singer can. Even when I'm listening to a belty piece, I get irritated by bad vowels.

If I end up teaching music, I will make sure all of my students know how to handle vowels.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:41 am


you don't need to sing it exactly right.as long as you know what it is and it sounds good,who cares.i'm gonna be a lead singer someday,so i felt the need to say this.
and you probably shouldn't say that professional singers get their vowels "wrong".i'm sure they know much more about it than you do.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:43 pm


you must really hate the song "butterfly" Lots of lingering 'y' sounds there, but I love her voice.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:38 pm


XxImmortal_MachinexX
you don't need to sing it exactly right.as long as you know what it is and it sounds good,who cares.i'm gonna be a lead singer someday,so i felt the need to say this.
and you probably shouldn't say that professional singers get their vowels "wrong".i'm sure they know much more about it than you do.

The problem is that incorrect vowels sound bad. REALLY bad. In fact, I couldn't keep listening after someone royally screwed up the vowels in "High" in the first phrase the song. Listening to a certain Valjean's "oo" vowels just makes my skin crawl. When I teach, my students will absolutely not be singing their vowels that way.

And I hate. hate. HATE the idea that JUST because they are professionals means they know everything and can do no wrong. Yes, there is a right and a wrong way to handle vowels, and while it may not be emphasised as much in rock or pop it IS important in Les Miserables. And YES professional singers royally screw vowels up.

Considering I've been singing opera for three years and vowels are one of the first things I had to learn AND that I will absolutely get slammed in an audition if I do them poorly, I'd like to think I KNOW what I'm talking about. When I go to an All Shore audition, in the quartet my vowels have to be correct. When I go to college auditions, my diction and vowels have to be as close to perfection as possible just like every other aspect of the pieces. I need to know how to handle vowel sounds.

And I know from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE that "ee" is just naturally more difficult to sing on a higher note. So I KNOW that when a Valjean goes up into falsetto it would be easier on EVERYONE, the singer included, if he didn't close to an "ee" before the very end of the note. Because "ee" is an evil, evil vowel sound and is DEATH on high notes.

Want to know my most irritating experience with the "ee" vowel? Bohemian Rhapsody! The high B flat is on the word "Me". You know, the line, "Bealzebub has a devil put aside for me"? And since a high B flat is a fairly difficult note for me to hit, and consonants just make things get ugly, AND "ee" is death on difficult notes, that part of the song was Hell for me. There was also a song that went up to a high note on "ee", and the vowel gave me a whole lot of trouble.

So, yes, I am fairly well acquainted with that nasty little vowel and I KNOW the first vowel sound in "high" is VASTLY easier to sing. Because I can hit any note in my range on that vowel sound.

I'm a fairly intelligent vocal student, so I KNOW what I'm talking about when it comes to technique. Opera and classical is the most technical style of music a vocalist can take on. If you don't have a solid understanding of everything from breathing to vowels to support to tone quality it isn't going to sound right.

Hence, I NEED to know about vowels if I want to go to college for music. Hence, I NEED to be able to pick up on vowels that need fixing since I plan to major in music education.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:02 pm


I have a friend who knows how to play guitar and he gets mad at the music I like because he can hear mistakes I cant and knows how easy a lot of it is to play.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:28 pm


But understanding it makes all the really great performances seem just that much better. heart

AngesRadieux
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nobodyusesthisaccount

PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:58 pm


I'm a writer but I do know a bit about music. And you know what you're talking about. If the vowels go wrong, the whole song ends in a vast round of "BOO"!! Personal experience on this one. :S  
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