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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:06 pm
I'm a trumpet player and I've had marching camp last week and this week at my school, and I've been thinking lately: why are the section leaders always the top player of each section?
Here's the story behind that question.
My school has a new band director this year, but he has picked up the traditions that my old band director used for MB. For section leaders, he just told each section's instructor to pick a section leader. You know what my instructor does? Tells us to play as high as we can.
I suck at going to high pitches. I can go up to G, some times A if I'm not too tired. To some, that is high, but not for the students in my section. I'm a sophomore and a freshman can play higher than I can. The only thing is, I have really great tone. In the end, the senior played the highest, so he got the role of section leader.
The thing is... he's not a good teacher at all. However, I have a history of teaching other students, one example would be teaching little kids how to read. I'm also a good student who always behaves.
...but I don't think I'll ever make section leader. We have a freshman that has been in MB since 6th grade. This is only my second year of marching. So, next year, when that senior leaves, I think it'll be that freshman due to marching experience. The only problem is, she takes everything too seriously and, at times, has an attitude.
So, that's why I ask: why are the section leaders always the top player of each section? Aren't section leaders supposed to be the "good example" or the "role model" for the rest of the section? Why is it that, say, a 2nd part trumpet player can't be section leader?
~band geek now and forever.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:25 pm
...Wow. That's a horrible way to pick section leaders. We have section leader auditions, which is basically an interview with most of the marching band staff. Nothing dealing with playing ability at all, though being able to play well helps with teaching the section and stuff, so it's always a plus. Sometimes there's a fluke and someone who plays well becomes section leader and they suck with leadership, though.
Have you talked you your director about it?
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:40 pm
Okay. So I have a problem with section leaders being the top chair of the section. The section leader in my section has always been a higher chair than me. When we had chair tests my sophomore year, I did my piece and D did his. I felt so good about it. Then I look at the list and D is a higher chair than me. It was his first year in symphonic band and I had been in it since I was a freshman. He was gloating about it and crap. This year in marching band he is first chair and I am second. I can play higher notes than he can and I already have all of the music memorized and I can do the dances better. I am thinking that the director did it because he has likes male players better than female.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:25 pm
See in our marching band, section leaders were the seniors but didn't do that much. Just help pass out drill, mark spots, help pass out music. Symphonic and concert band I'm not sure how it went
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:41 pm
Terra of the Lilies ...Wow. That's a horrible way to pick section leaders. We have section leader auditions, which is basically an interview with most of the marching band staff. Nothing dealing with playing ability at all, though being able to play well helps with teaching the section and stuff, so it's always a plus. Sometimes there's a fluke and someone who plays well becomes section leader and they suck with leadership, though.
Have you talked you your director about it? That's the way I wish it would be. I haven't talked to my director about it because he's new and I don't want to give him the impression that he's doing things wrong. However, this method has been going on for years now, so if this happens again next year, you can bet I'm going to talk to him about it. ~band geek now and forever.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:12 pm
thats not cool at all. we pick our section leaders by the section members voting. But, we have 3 section leaders this year, every year we have 3 or 2 leaders. Our section leaders are all in the top band but diffrent chairs. maybe, u need to talk to your BD about it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:17 am
I should say I'm in the same "high note" boat. I'm also not section leader this year (though I should be). Do high notes make a good trumpet player? Yes and no. They definitely help, but they should never be the sole indicator. Technically speaking I can play high notes with better form than my section leader. I can't use too much pressure (braces). Do the freshman cheat like that? Smushing the mouthpiece against their teeth? There is so much more you need to be good at! Like rhythm and tone, pitch and intonation. What is a high C if your other notes sound like crap and are totally off beat? In my situation, I wasn't first chair last year. And we got a new director. I would assume he just based the section leader off last year's first chairs. Instead of meeting me to personally assess my leadership potential, he just gave it to the first chair (who he had met). Technically speaking we are on the same playing level. He just always beat me out because he could play high. And now? I have been practicing trumpet and range all summer. I can play a freaking high C now. I even got half a D out last night (not pretty, but getting there). How much higher do they want? So now basically the logic both our band uses is: high notes= better trumpet player= equals better leader? That is not correct logic. Next year you should be the section leader if not this year. I would have refused that "high test" but that's just me. I will not place myself in a position where I am judge purely on my range. It's what you do with what range you have that counts.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:24 am
Playing ability and responsibility play a part, but mostlty it's if you're the oldest person in your section. If playing ability and responsibility were the two main factors, I'd be section leader this year, but I'm only a freshman, and there are two seniors, and one is the band captain. So, I had no chance this year. Next year, however, I know I am section leader. First of all, I'll be the only 1st trombone left, and likely the only 1st at all. (There will be no good players left besides me and the tubas, and I don't think there will be any freshmen, as the three trombones in the grade behind me show no interest in marching.)
So, I'll be a sophomore, one of two sophomore section leaders. (The mellos this year is 4 seniors, one freshman. The freshman doesn't deserve SL, she has no confidence and I have actually never heard her play, because she has never played loud.)
And, technically, I might be SL this year, because I'm about to take a trombone solo from the band captain.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:05 pm
That sucks.
My director lets the sections vote at the end of the season, and he ultimately decides based on the popular vote (slightly), seniority, and experience. That's the only reason I'm section leader right now, I'm the only one who's been in my section for three years. >>
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:29 am
well, to be a section leader, you have to be good at whatever instrument you are on. that includes going in high pitches, because eventually the new people will have to know it, and if the section leader doesn't know it, or can't do it good, then neither will the new people be able to.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:15 pm
Wow.. I agree with everyone else on the fact that that is a horrible way to choose section leaders. To become a section leader or someone with authority in the band I'm in then you have to take this class that is kind of like an introduction to leadership if you will. I took it this year and became section leader (I'm only a sophomore). But I didn't have much competition since three people were in my section. There was one section that were just chosen because they were rising juniors and the girl that actually took the class AND could play better than both of them combined didn't get it. It's a cruel world. ):
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:34 pm
Our marching band is ridonkulous. It's made up of all three of oru concert bands, and totals around 350 people.
Our section leaders aren't necessarily the best players; they're the most responsible people in the sections.
Like, I can guaran-damn-tee you that I am not the best alto player on the field -- it's my second instrument after clarinet. But being one of five seniors (one of whom is drum major and so isn't in the running for section leader), I'll probably be section leader. (The altos generally have four section leaders; the 26 of us are too irresponsible and unruly overall to have any less. The clarinet section, meanwhile, with its 43 people, has two section leaders.)
Our section leaders are typically seniors, with a few exceptions. I'll shank myself with a reed, though, if this prat of a junior we have is made section leader. He honestly thought he would be drum major/field commander/band captain. We never have juniors in any of those positions. Ever.
This year we had to sign up and actually audition -- we had to learn how to conduct, we had to show that we knew basic commands and are able to teach them, he had to show our marching style, all that kind of stuff. Section leaders have never had to audition before -- only DMs, field commanders, and band captains.
The best part is, we still don't know who our "official" section leaders are. We won't know until like, the day before band camp.
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:07 am
I can't believe anyone would pick section leaders that way.
In high school, a section leader is often the best player, because usually the best player is the most devoted to the band, and therefore the one who works hardest to be section leader. They are also usually an upperclassman, because experience marching (not to mention the authority of being older) is a big factor. However, that should never be a requirement. I would say devotion to the band and ability to teach are the most important qualities in a section leader (or drum major). My director would pick section leaders based on a written paragraph on why you want to be section leader. If you don't want the responsibility, you don't try out. Then he would pick section leaders based on who says things like "I like teaching and want to help the freshmen" rather than "I want to make the freshmen run laps" or something.
For another, high notes don't show who plays best. I'm a horn player, a performance major in college, and I have a really hard time playing high. However, as my horn teacher has pointed out, there is more to it than that. There's articulations, dynamics, low range (although that's usually ignored), lyrical ability, technical ability, and intonation, to name a few. I suppose your instructor's thinking a good high range indicates a good playing ability. I'm sorry you have to put up with him.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:48 am
That's horrible and unfair. The best players arn't always the most responsible.
Our section leaders are picked based on a number of things, like how responsible or resopnsible they'll be. They're mostly upperclassmen, which makes sence, too.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:27 pm
we have a chair test for our section leader but im better than most people except 2 in my trumpet section. i can play higher than a higher than a high E above the staff. im a freshman.
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