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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:39 am


Someone once asked me a question along these lines and I suppose having a slow day and the guild and a dream about a fatal spider bite a few days ago is impetus enough to finally make this post...
Don't worry. This isn't based on anything a doctor told me (as though I could afford to see a doctor, dentist, or other health care specialist) nor is it based on a creeping feeling. To the best of my knowledge, I still feel that I'll live to a ripe old age, and that certainly is the plan.
But things don't always go as planned and as usual, I believe in having a plan B...Or in this case plan Z. I don't see dying as all that acceptable. If it should happen all the same, there are a few things that I would like taken care of, so consider this my last will and testament...And yes I realize how patently ridiculous it is to have a virtual one without any thoughts of a real one, but I just have so much more relative wealth here on Gaia than I do in the real world...So bear with me.
First, this guild will not close. It's name will be changed to Matasoga's Mourner's and it's basic function will not change. Activity will likely slow and it will not accept any new members. The Vice Captain (that is not my mule, Tori, unless things change) will be made captain and hopefully, at least on the day of my passing, all who were faithful to the guild while I was alive will gather and share at least one fond memory.
As for my avatar (Sara should see to this), it will look as much like me as the present Gaia Items will allow. This means Dark Black Sleaze haircut and the following items: Black Zoot Suit Tappa, Dark Tuxedo Coat, Long Black Socks, Dashing Gentleman’s Onyx Tuxedo Trousers, Black Leather Belt, Dark Footwear, Black Reading Glasses, Mall Cop Moustache, Neck Ruffle, Silver Promise Ring, Gro-Gain Trim Beard, Death Whisper Soulless Sleep. If more suitable items are released, the list will be edited to reflect them.
Any on-going RPs that I am in will be dealt with in the manner that those involved feel most logical. My account will then be under Sara's control (assuming that she did not die with me) and it will then fall to her to give it to someone who will see to it that my items are sold off and the gold given to the guild contributors. I recommend Tori, as she usually sees to guild errands, when I need someone to run them. Those that request them are welcome to the items that are in my inventory at whoever's discretion this is given.
So discuss. What do you think of the plan? What would you have done with your account (or, more rationally, for those less impoverished than I) your real-world assets if you were to die? A depressing topic, I know, but it could make for interesting conversation...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:55 am


Death is just another chapter in the unending voyage the soul must make. Not really sad or depressing it just is.

It's not a bad plan though...I should make sure someone would have access to my various Gaia accounts since I've spread my wealth amongst them. ninja

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:04 am


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Death is just another chapter in the unending voyage the soul must make. Not really sad or depressing it just is.
It's not a bad plan though...I should make sure someone would have access to my various Gaia accounts since I've spread my wealth amongst them. ninja

I fail to see how death is not sad. There is a special significance to it, rather than "Just another chapter" as it is the last chapter. Your loved ones will never again see your smile, hear your voice, or share another happy moment with you.
Unless you are deeply theistic, you will agree that all of this is, to the extent of human knowledge, true.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:17 am


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Death is just another chapter in the unending voyage the soul must make. Not really sad or depressing it just is.
It's not a bad plan though...I should make sure someone would have access to my various Gaia accounts since I've spread my wealth amongst them. ninja

I fail to see how death is not sad. There is a special significance to it, rather than "Just another chapter" as it is the last chapter. Your loved ones will never again see your smile, hear your voice, or share another happy moment with you.
Unless you are deeply theistic, you will agree that all of this is, to the extent of human knowledge, true.
Even if one passes to a different live in which one will meet their friends... how long may that take? You may be separated for tens of years.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:56 pm


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Even if one passes to a different live in which one will meet their friends... how long may that take? You may be separated for tens of years.

That takes the assumption that there is an afterlife in which to meet your loved ones.

What if there isn't, and this is all there is?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:53 pm


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Even if one passes to a different live in which one will meet their friends... how long may that take? You may be separated for tens of years.

That takes the assumption that there is an afterlife in which to meet your loved ones.

What if there isn't, and this is all there is?
Please note the Even if at the beginning of my past comment. ^^

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:41 pm


I don't find death sad, at least not in the sense that most people do. I'm also not very strongly theistic. I believe in an afterlife, but I don't think there's some deity that pulls the strings in the fabric of our lives.

I mean, I miss talking to my grandmother, and I wish I had been able to say goodbye to my grandfather when he passed, but I didn't cry when any of them died. I'll see them again. As for time, time is relative. Who's to tell me that my life won't blink by and I'll be an old woman. We know that time isn't linear anyways.

Maybe I'm strange because I had a near death experience as a child? I will miss being able to have my loved ones in my life, but I'm not sad that they died, it was inevitable, its a truth that everything has a time in which it will exist and in which it will cease to be. I'm comfortable with death in the sense that it will eventually claim everyone older than me, and some younger than me, and eventually it will come back for me. Does that make any sense?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:41 pm


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I don't find death sad, at least not in the sense that most people do. I'm also not very strongly theistic. I believe in an afterlife, but I don't think there's some deity that pulls the strings in the fabric of our lives.
I mean, I miss talking to my grandmother, and I wish I had been able to say goodbye to my grandfather when he passed, but I didn't cry when any of them died. I'll see them again. As for time, time is relative. Who's to tell me that my life won't blink by and I'll be an old woman. We know that time isn't linear anyways.
Maybe I'm strange because I had a near death experience as a child? I will miss being able to have my loved ones in my life, but I'm not sad that they died, it was inevitable, its a truth that everything has a time in which it will exist and in which it will cease to be. I'm comfortable with death in the sense that it will eventually claim everyone older than me, and some younger than me, and eventually it will come back for me. Does that make any sense?

I don't think it does, really, at least not to me.
Theoretically, by this logic, if someone were to break into your house and murder all of those you care about, you should have no strong negative reaction.
You're sure that you'll see them again, and all that the murderer took from you that can't be replaced was time with them, which is all relative anyway...In addition to non-linear, though in what sense you mean that, I can't imagine.
Personally, I would find this deeply disturbing if true and logically flawed if not.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:49 pm


I have taught myself to be completely unafraid of death either way. Afterlife or no after life.

I do of course follow teachings of metaphysics and follow the pulse of the universe. The veil is too thick that the limitations set on our body can't see past it.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:23 pm


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I don't think it does, really, at least not to me.
Theoretically, by this logic, if someone were to break into your house and murder all of those you care about, you should have no strong negative reaction.
You're sure that you'll see them again, and all that the murderer took from you that can't be replaced was time with them, which is all relative anyway...In addition to non-linear, though in what sense you mean that, I can't imagine.
Personally, I would find this deeply disturbing if true and logically flawed if not.


If someone murdered my family I would be upset. I think there are ways of dying that affect a person's soul. Murder is an experience that doesn't cease to have happened just because the end result is death. I think that experience carries over into the next life you have even if you don't know the root of what makes you angry, or scared or whatever the effect would be. I also think that premature deaths can cause a burden on a person, we're all here to learn a lesson or to do something or help someone, and if we can't complete that we need to do it again.

Emotionally speaking on my end I would be devastated if my family were murdered. It's hard to put it into words. If my family dies of old age or disease or some freak accident like dying in a plane accident or getting struck by lightning I think I would be less emotionally charged about their passing.

As far as time being linear I think I went a little far for what our discussion entails. A lifetime as we experience it is linear, but there tend to be patterns or loops in history. Nothing is ever exactly the same but big events seem to occur in very similar manners. That goes tangential to this conversation so I will drop that from my argument.

@Gen: The veil may be too thick to see past it, but when you experience death you can catch glimpses.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:18 pm


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I don't think it does, really, at least not to me.
Theoretically, by this logic, if someone were to break into your house and murder all of those you care about, you should have no strong negative reaction.
You're sure that you'll see them again, and all that the murderer took from you that can't be replaced was time with them, which is all relative anyway...In addition to non-linear, though in what sense you mean that, I can't imagine.
Personally, I would find this deeply disturbing if true and logically flawed if not.

If someone murdered my family I would be upset. I think there are ways of dying that affect a person's soul. Murder is an experience that doesn't cease to have happened just because the end result is death. I think that experience carries over into the next life you have even if you don't know the root of what makes you angry, or scared or whatever the effect would be. I also think that premature deaths can cause a burden on a person, we're all here to learn a lesson or to do something or help someone, and if we can't complete that we need to do it again.
Emotionally speaking on my end I would be devastated if my family were murdered. It's hard to put it into words. If my family dies of old age or disease or some freak accident like dying in a plane accident or getting struck by lightning I think I would be less emotionally charged about their passing.
As far as time being linear I think I went a little far for what our discussion entails. A lifetime as we experience it is linear, but there tend to be patterns or loops in history. Nothing is ever exactly the same but big events seem to occur in very similar manners. That goes tangential to this conversation so I will drop that from my argument.
@Gen: The veil may be too thick to see past it, but when you experience death you can catch glimpses.

Technically, I suppose this isn't a theistic argument, as theism is defined by the belief in one or more god-head figures but it doesn't sound much more rational or reason based to me.
It has gone off topic, but I gave a list of things that I would have liked to be discussed and thus far no one has said anything about them, so we were off-topic to begin with because everyone...Well, I guess just two of you decided to instead state certainty of that which no one can be certain of.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:00 pm


People always have doubts about the afterlife. If they didn't people all around the world would kill themselves at a astounding rate which might eventually wipe out the mass population.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:07 am


It's hard to reason or rationalize death. I can't logic my way through it in a way you can understand. If you have a near death experience I'm sure that you'll be able to connect what I said with your own experience, but short of that there's no way to make a connection. It's like walking on the moon or space walking... there are only a few people in the world who have ever done those things, and while they try to explain to us how it felt to them or what sensations felt like it's completely alien to us. We literally can not fathom in any tangible way what it must feel like emotionally or even physically to a large extent the experience of walking on the moon. You can't fathom what it feels like to be dying and know that you're safe and nothing bad is going to happen to you and that there is someplace else to go after your body dies in this lifetime.

I did not mean to drag your topic off on a sidebar, nor did I mean to frustrate you. I apologize.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:41 am


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People always have doubts about the afterlife. If they didn't people all around the world would kill themselves at a astounding rate which might eventually wipe out the mass population.
That's not a bad idea. We could use some less people on this earth.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:32 am


True. But if there is a god i don't think that's his plan.
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