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Fourscarf

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 4:38 pm


Recently, I saw in the latest issue of Newsweek an article about a man who dreams of becoming a cyborg. It would include technology that enables humans to embed their consciousnesses in silicon chips, allowing them to live on forever in machinery. He thinks of it as a leap in evolution.

"I, Robot" --the article
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:35 am


That's.... unnerving.

I'll say something else after I've read the article... O_o

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 9:28 am


Not sure I really believe you could do that.
If you could create enough memory space you could save all the experiences and memories, but once separated from an organic form with sensation and its own abilities such as instinct and emotion, the individual would invariably respond to those old experiences and memories differently and all new experiences and memories would be radically different.
You might seem like the same person at first, but I don't think it would be long before you began to change completely.

And sentience might not go hand in hand with that store of experiences and memory. You might just become a mobile library of what you had once been, unable to ever become more, or think or act independently ever again.

That's probably why Cybermen still have organic brains. They just can't do as well, much less better, than that organ--and it probably really ticks them off. lol
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:56 pm


It's a little unnerving, the idea that this guy has. Then again, most of his futurisms have been proven wrong by the passage of time.

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Fantasy_of_Strange_Things

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:15 am


This would possibly be the worst ever if he tried this! LOL... What if he got a test subject and and it went wrong and they made him his old way but he was all sick and stuff? Thats how like... all zombie movies start! With some sort of brake threw! But I guess this really isn't a brake threw.. kinda like what watsit said...
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:52 pm


The technology is closer to that of Red Dwarf. In which they save the personality and memory on a data chip to be to be used after the death of the person to bring them back as a hologram. Than the than technology used for Cyberconvirson. Cyberconvirson requires human tissue for conduction and a brain. Cybermen are still human in base just with an emotional inhibitor to suppress the emotions of the human mind.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:05 pm


NatsumenoKage
The technology is closer to that of Red Dwarf. In which they save the personality and memory on a data chip to be to be used after the death of the person to bring them back as a hologram. Than the than technology used for Cyberconvirson. Cyberconvirson requires human tissue for conduction and a brain. Cybermen are still human in base just with an emotional inhibitor to suppress the emotions of the human mind.
oh like n i robot when that professor dies?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:44 pm


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NatsumenoKage
The technology is closer to that of Red Dwarf. In which they save the personality and memory on a data chip to be to be used after the death of the person to bring them back as a hologram. Than the than technology used for Cyberconvirson. Cyberconvirson requires human tissue for conduction and a brain. Cybermen are still human in base just with an emotional inhibitor to suppress the emotions of the human mind.
oh like n i robot when that professor dies?

The movie or book? (Vast differences).

I'll assume you mean the movie, in which case yes, the holograms might be considered similar to that technology. It's more like a recording of you, but programmed to answer to specific things.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:17 pm


On rereading the article I think Kurzweil means to be using a much larger computer most likely a super computer. So it could give a better facsimile with a lager number of predesignated answers, and will not be able to pass the Turing test. Even if it is a hologram it is highly improbable that it will work. The AI programs being developed and used right now are not at that level of complexity yet to do what he is thinking of doing.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:51 pm


Creepy : (

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:23 pm


Was he thinking along the lines of computers with neural networks? Then it would actually be possible, because then the computer can think and learn etc like a human does. (if they ever end up being able to make one, that is).

Only problem is, you can't transfer your consciousness. You won't be in your body one second, and then in a computer the next. The computer will have your memories, and will act and think like you (if you can somehow get your memories in to it) but it won't have your consciousness. It might even think that it is you, but .... it isn't, it's a copy of you.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:09 pm


Lidaby
Was he thinking along the lines of computers with neural networks? Then it would actually be possible, because then the computer can think and learn etc like a human does. (if they ever end up being able to make one, that is).

I believe that is along the lines of his thinking. There is a few robots that have basic learning abilitys like the child robot of Osaka University ,but the technology for this is many years away yet.

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Only problem is, you can't transfer your consciousness. You won't be in your body one second, and then in a computer the next. The computer will have your memories, and will act and think like you (if you can somehow get your memories in to it) but it won't have your consciousness. It might even think that it is you, but .... it isn't, it's a copy of you.

Even if he could copy his memory and personality that dos not mean the programs would read the information so it would run to be like him for computers are things of logic ,and are run on such people are not. also computers do not make perfect copes the information degrades when it is coped from one thing to another.

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