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 Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:32 am
Awaken guild! *fancy arm waving*
Okay, so I tend to be a little obsessive and I got to thinking about the science of pokemon. Not the pokemon world, but pokemon themselves.
Because some pokemon are just wierd.
So I try to logic them out. Odd, considering they're fictional creatures, but I get stuck thinking about it and my brain won't leave me alone until I've come up with a semi-plausible explanation.
For example: Exeggcute. WTF? How do you get a bunch of little egg-looking-seed-thingies and call it a pokemon? And a whole bunch of them (4 or 5) will suck up a leaf stone and become some three headed palm? The math alone made me twitch, so I had to find some way of rationalizing them.
this is what I came up with:
Exeggcute: a collective plant pokemon.
Individual eggs lack the brain-power to think on their own so they gather in groups to form a single psychic entity. One egg will become dominant and will always be found in the center of the group. The loss of one individual egg will not handicap an Exeggcute, but any further losses will severely limit the Pokemon’s mental and physical capabilities.
A single Exeggute egg can evolve into the thrice-faced evolution: Exeggcutor via a leaf stone, but this is highly discouraged. Scientists suggest a grouping of three or more eggs for evolution if the trainer wants to have a decently capable Pokemon. Any less will produce weaker and less intelligent Exeggcutor that are unsuitable for battle.
Have any of you ever done this? I want to hear your ideas behind more detailed information regarding pokemon.
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:45 pm
"WROOOARRRR WHO DARES SUMMONS MEEE!!!!" ...sorry, I just had to. This is the first new thread in months i think!
Anyhow, I have thought about that. Some of the pokemon abilities tend to break laws of physics, or put things into complete conumdrums, Like how does flareon keep 5000 degrees F flames in a pouch in her body without melting, and on top of that, why hasn't any pokemon that has been in a battle with it was completely melted by this breath?
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Melody Hikari-Shinu Anson
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:58 pm
[Mori] "WROOOARRRR WHO DARES SUMMONS MEEE!!!!" ...sorry, I just had to. This is the first new thread in months i think! Anyhow, I have thought about that. Some of the pokemon abilities tend to break laws of physics, or put things into complete conumdrums, Like how does flareon keep 5000 degrees F flames in a pouch in her body without melting, and on top of that, why hasn't any pokemon that has been in a battle with it was completely melted by this breath? The same can be asked of any fire Pokemon. XD Oh man, I had a shitload awhile back, but I've long since forgotten 'em.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:11 pm
The fire thing is pretty weird, but what about water? Where DO water pokemon keep all that liquid? And is it really water, could we drink it? Or is it some form of saliva instead?
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Melody Hikari-Shinu Anson
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:38 pm
Tennyo_Oujo The fire thing is pretty weird, but what about water? Where DO water pokemon keep all that liquid? And is it really water, could we drink it? Or is it some form of saliva instead? Even better--- Battles on water, surfing on certain Pokemon, Rock/Fire/Ground types at sea.... HOW EVER DO THEY BATTLE?!
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:48 am
You have to remember that part of pokemon biology is the manipulation of various types of elemental energy.
Notably, Exeggcute isn't made up of eggs, but seeds, so theoretically they grow into a tree. As a collective entity they can probably grow into a tree together, there are some sorts of plants that grow together from multiple seeds, although as you said, theoretically only one is needed.
Anyway, when you bring in that their biology works on a level with specialized elemental energy fields, it allows you to surpass normal limits of physics and biology, especially when you take into account some of the devastating sorts of damage a pokemon can take and 'faint' from, no matter their level. Even a level 1 pokemon still only faints from the 'cut' of a level 100 scyther after all. Most likely, pokemon's bodies are protected by a powerful energy field that absorbs damage before it hurts the pokemon, and they 'faint' when this field fails, likely in way that negates the rest of damage from an attack that is overkill against it, probably with a mild knock-back effect when it fails, or temporary lasting surge that lasts long enough to deal with the remainder of an attack before failing after the pokemon faints.
Without the energy field, they can't be caught, likely because the pokeball can't synchronize with an inactive field for initial catching, which would explain why you can't simply knock a pokemon out and then start throwing pokeballs at it.
This energy field reflects the pokemon's elemental type, as well as it's level, and boosts the pokemon's natural abilities in various ways as well as provides part of the focusing for their attacks, which have a different energy source in most cases (HP and PP, and same type bonuses) and the type of energy fields the pokemon has determines their type, and how certain attack types based on the energy in those attacks affects them. For instance while biting is just a physical action normally, the cruel aggression in it creates a dark type effect rather than normal type, and the use of megahorn, even when the user isn't a bug, is stiill bug type as the move generates bug type energy.
Once captured, if a pokemon is knocked out they automatically return to their ball, as a safety measure, and can't be released until they are healed, although luckily the ball's design was set up to enable the use of reviving items without releasing the pokemon on a knocked out pokemon. Pokemon potions and Pokemon center healing pads work because they don't actually heal real injuries, which you'd need proper medical care and rest or a special ability to deal with, but instead they re-charge the defensive energy fields that protect the pokemon.
A pokemon's HP energy field even protects them from things like telekineticly attacking their innards by a psychic pokemon, like some sort of force choke, or critical damage to special areas, like if a Charmander's tail was buried in dirt or put underwater or in a vacuum, keeping it burning by using up HP.
In the wild, carnivore pokemon that eat other pokemon have to knock out their targets before they can deal any lethal damage and start eating their targets, or catch one already knocked out.
It has been theorized that a pokemon could survive a point blank strike of nuclear bomb level forces, so long as they start out not fainted, and the damaging forces don't last longer than it takes for the pokemon's HP field to fail, but a knocked out pokemon is not much tougher than a human, sometimes even weaker, especially in the smaller and more delicate breeds.
Most pokemon have approximately the intelligence of a toddler, but with instincts closer to that of a dog, with some exceptions, such as pokemon noted to be stupid or slow, or many of the psychic types, as the psychic types often have intelligences far exceeding human intelligence. Even though psychic types are often smarter than human, they are more ruled by pokemon instincts than their minds, similar to autistic savants among humans, and don't use this intelligence to create tools or scociety.
The violent nature of most wild pokemon is believed to be connected to their origins, and the nature of pokemon supporting habitats of tall grass and such. Pokemon habitats have energy fields that cause pokemon to be reluctant to stray from ones they can sense, with some exceptions like certain legendaries, as well as cause territorial behavior. A pokeball has similar energy fields but much reduced aggression, and enables a pokemon to recognize a trainer as a sort of pack superior or perhaps a nature god that the pokemon might worship as the true master of their territory, according to some religious groups that find pokeballs sacrilegious as well as some pokemon sociologists who have studied pokemon behavior and social patterns. This doesn't always insure loyalty, especially in traded pokemon, but it does keep the pokemon from attacking their trainers or innocent bystanders when released from their pokeballs, and allows them to be tamed. Part of the secret of Pokemon badges is that they actually increase a trainer's energy field in ways that helps get pokemon to respect them and allows them to communicate certain out of battle technique use to the pokemon for things like cutting and surfing or fight.
A lesser known fact is that talented human psychics can get around the need for badges by producing similar energy fields on their own, and were involved in the invention of badges, the creation of which are a closely guarded secret of the pokemon leagues and some psychic organizations. However, the pokemon leagues still require one to properly earn badges in order to face the elite four. Badges also provide non-psychic trainers with a degree of protection against telepathy or telekinesis used on their person, and more extensive protections are given to league officials like gym leaders, in order to prevent psychics from abusing their powers against the pokemon league, it even negates telekinesis within a certain range of their bodies other than their own if they have it, however, powerful or particularly skilled psychics can overcome or ignore this field, especially pokemon ones.
The reason pokemon rarely dodge and seem to take turns with their attacks to a degree is related to the recharge states of their HP and PP energy stores, which are similar for all pokemon after an attack, leaving them somewhat vulnerable long enough for even the weakest of pokemon to attack back. Because of this, for pokemon, speed is more about initiative and reflexes than movement speed or attack speed, and dodging by pokemon is rare, as they partially stun themselves after an attack or charging up an attack. Pokemon fighting is more like tanks firing slowly back and fourth. This, and the limits of pokemon intelligence, is part of the reason pokemon battles aren't as dynamic, as for instance, a battle between two master human martial artists. Notably, two fighting pokemon using martial arts in a similar battle can't even actually hurt each other unless they start using pokemon attacks, due to the normal martial arts not being charged in the right energy fields, but practicing that way is something the fighting types still do as it is how they make their moves effective.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:09 am
Melody Hikari-Shinu Anson Tennyo_Oujo The fire thing is pretty weird, but what about water? Where DO water pokemon keep all that liquid? And is it really water, could we drink it? Or is it some form of saliva instead? Even better--- Battles on water, surfing on certain Pokemon, Rock/Fire/Ground types at sea.... HOW EVER DO THEY BATTLE?! Good point. Remember how if charmader's tail goes out it dies or gets sick, well what about every other fire type.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:26 am
O-O DUDE. .....*bows down and worships*
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Melody Hikari-Shinu Anson
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CardcaptorNicole
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:05 am
Tennyo_Oujo The fire thing is pretty weird, but what about water? Where DO water pokemon keep all that liquid? And is it really water, could we drink it? Or is it some form of saliva instead?
Yeah I get what u mean but waht about Vaporoen becoming invisible in water that's not right
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:44 am
In the first generation TV episodes, does anybody remember when Celedon gym caught on fire? And Brock ordered his Geodude to throw dirt on the fire, to help put it out and Geodude FLOATED OVER the gym and dropped dirt from above? Since when can Geodude, or any rock type, fly? You see this a lot in Geodude's case. Sometimes it's sitting on the ground like it should be but, more often than not, it's floating to some degree.
And as for the Vaporeon question, there are many ways this could happen. It could be some sort of camouflage, only giving the illusion that Vaporeon has become invisible when in fact it is merely blending in. Another way could be a chemical reaction with the water and Vaporeon's skin, causing Vaporeon to become partially transparent.
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[Philosophy In A Teacup] Crew
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:09 pm
Sugary sweet105 Tennyo_Oujo The fire thing is pretty weird, but what about water? Where DO water pokemon keep all that liquid? And is it really water, could we drink it? Or is it some form of saliva instead? Yeah I get what u mean but waht about Vaporoen becoming invisible in water that's not right
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:43 am
PyrusXIII In the first generation TV episodes, does anybody remember when Celedon gym caught on fire? And Brock ordered his Geodude to throw dirt on the fire, to help put it out and Geodude FLOATED OVER the gym and dropped dirt from above? Since when can Geodude, or any rock type, fly? You see this a lot in Geodude's case. Sometimes it's sitting on the ground like it should be but, more often than not, it's floating to some degree. And as for the Vaporeon question, there are many ways this could happen. It could be some sort of camouflage, only giving the illusion that Vaporeon has become invisible when in fact it is merely blending in. Another way could be a chemical reaction with the water and Vaporeon's skin, causing Vaporeon to become partially transparent. *nod* I think it's just 'cause it doesn't have legs, so it gets to defy gravity sometimes. It stops floating once it grows legs. However, this brings up the point of floating snake/eel/water dragon Pokemon like Milotic and Gyarados... well mostly Gyarados, in the Stadium games. HE'S ALWAYS FLOATING. gonk Vaporeon, I do believe, was said to change its molecular structure to be able to blend into the water. And considering how Eevee's able to evolve a certain way base upon how it decides to change its DNA strand [wild evolved Eons that 'Dex entries originally come from, anyone?], this I'm not willing to doubt. What sucks is that none of this stuff comes into play in the games. And Vaporeon doesn't come up in the show too much, either. =/ I think it's because they'd have to be consistent with the "invisible in water" thing. Or was that purely optional? Anyone remember?
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Melody Hikari-Shinu Anson
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:36 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:28 am
Contribute with something better and don't spam. Elaborate on your posts, or don't post at all.
You've been warned.
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[Philosophy In A Teacup] Crew
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:01 pm
I know it goes by type but it seems weird that pokemon like Spheal and Snorunt aren't hurt by hail and pokemon like Magmar and Slugma are. There are probably weird examples like that about sandstorm to but I am too lazy to think of any.lol
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