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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:41 pm
I got in an argument with a Pro-Choicer yesterday (I know, it's shocking) and at one point she started complaining about how bad the adoption system is. And this is a very common tactic; Pro-Choicers saying, "Well it's better than the foster care system. It's better for them to be aborted than for them to have to be molested and mistreated by assholes in the foster care system." And, of course, the standard argument against this is, "It's better for them to live and be mistreated than for them to die. Better a bad life than no life. And even then, they aren't in the foster care system forever, and lots of people go through that and come out as very productive members of society, living fairly happy lives."
But it struck me; It's entirely unnecessary to argue against this at all. For us to argue about the state of the adoption system, and whether it's better for them to die or go through it, they have to admit, or at least start with the assumption, that the fetus is a human being with the same worth as a grown human being. If the fetus is not a human being, and doesn't have any value or worth, then of course abortion is okay, for any reason at all; No need to discuss the adoption system. But if they are a human being and do have the same worth and value as a grown human being, then there is no way they can say it is better for them to be dead than in the adoption system; No Pro-Choicer would support killing the infants, toddlers, teens, etc. currently in foster care, even if they were killed quickly and painlessly in their sleep, ie, completely unaware and unfeeling of their death like a fetus supposedly is.
And you can even see that sometimes when you talk to them; They argue about how horrible the adoption system is, and about how no one should have to go through that, and of course we all agree. And if you bring up the fact that it is better to live through that and have a chance at a happy life than to die, they'll talk about how the fetus isn't a person anyways and doesn't know or feel their deaths, so it doesn't matter. But, as I mentioned, if that were true, the adoption argument is unnecessary!
So it's pretty plain to me that the adoption argument is nothing more than an appeal to emotion. I am sure that Pro-Choicers don't do this consciously, but it is a distraction from the actual argument, meant to drive their cause with pure emotion, and no logic.
In that vein, Pro-Choicers and Pro-Lifers both should very strongly support reform of the adoption and foster care system. As a Pro-Lifer, it's my opinion that these arguments about how we should keep abortion in order to keep kids out of the adoption system are not only foolish/ridiculous, but they enable. They enable the adoption system to stay like it is, by offering abortion as a supposedly better alternative than adoption, and that's just bullshit. No one is saying that the adoption system is good, or no one should be. It sucks. Let's be honest. But that doesn't mean that we should line all the foster care kids up in front of a firing squad, to "spare them" from it.
(I'm considering moving this to the debate subforum, but I haven't decided yet. Opinions?)
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:39 pm
Pro-choicers: Stop baawwwwwing and complaining about the foster care system when you do nothing to actually FIX it!! The foster care system has needed a lot of work done on it for a very long time. Aren't we supposed to be caring for our children? Instead we remove them from their parents for some random reason and place them with a family FAR worse than their previous one! FAIL! Then they move the kid to 15 different homes in one month. Because it will really benifit them emotionally rolleyes It gets to the point where some these children don't even know what a 'parent' is. Why are people just using it as an excuse to abort? If Pro-Lifers 'cared' for children so much they would rather they be dead than have a bad life Here's an idea: how about you actually fix the system??? Is it really that hard??? No one has even bothered to protect the foster children. They would rather baawwwwww when people tell them they shouldn't abort.
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:42 am
Of course it's an appeal to emotion. When you get right down to it that's all they're appealing to.
You see the thing is that they don't give a rats a** about the child, but they have to make it seem that way. They have to put up this front that they want what's best for everybody involved. So when given a perfectly viable option their only real defense is to demonize it in such a way that they try and make it seem like it's not an option at all.
However when was the last time they showed statistics for the amount of adopted child who were molested, or beaten?
Yes the foster care system sucks, however a newborn baby is not going to go into the foster care system they're going to be adopted. Because people want babies.
And let's be honest, at least in order to adopt a child there is a very rigid screening process. Of course people are going to slip through however parents who give birth naturally are not screened. I think that's a tad more worrisome.
But they don't care about any of that because if they admit it, it is basically admitting that they'd rather kill a child than deal with a viable alternative. And then they can't make us look like the bad guys anymore.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:29 pm
Whenever a pro-choicer brings up that argument, I tell them about my mom's friend, Irene. Irene and her husband have been trying to have a child for years. They've done everything, but nothing has worked and they're still on the waiting list (they want to be foster parents) Yes, the foster care system needs serious reform. However, not all foster parents are bad. Irene is a good woman and she would be the best mother for a foster child. My point: What about the good couples who wouldn't harm a fly and only want to raise a child with love and compassion? Were it not for abortion, Irene could've been a foster mother by now. She could be raising a beautiful little baby or even a teenager. She doesn't care if the child is an infant or a teenager, healthy or sickly, normal or deformed, she just desperately wants to be a mother. Pro-choicers only care about women seeking abortions. They couldn't care less about the women suffering from post-abortion trauma, let alone women who want to adopt a child. Life's not perfect, but a grisly death's not so good, either.
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:21 pm
Rosary16 Pro-choicers only care about women seeking abortions. They couldn't care less about the women suffering from post-abortion trauma, let alone women who want to adopt a child. Interesting point.
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