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Does anyone get the feeling pro-lifers aren't so much disagreed with, but we're somehow bad people? That's the nagging suspicion I get when I talk to pro-choicers on Gaia. That's where I think a lot of the dogged denial that we might actually have a legitimate argument every now and again. Because to acknowledge that we might be right sometimes, it means they're agreeing with bad people.

Yeah, it's tough to debate with pro-choice people because to them, a baby is just a disease inside someone that can be left there to grow or be removed. And then there are the ones who are like, "well I think it's murder, but I won't force others to not do it" (which is Joe Biden's view, as a matter of fact.) They don't think outside the box though. No one would say, for example, "well I think murder is wrong, but I wouldn't make a law to keep others from murdering people." How is that any different? It really isn't. That is one pro-choice argument that I don't understand. I mean, if they someone truly believes that a fetus isn't a baby until the third trimester or whatever, I can see why they would not be for overturning roe v. wade. but the argument of "to me it's murder, but I won't force anyone else to think that" is just dumb.

Yes! Yes, you are a bad, bad person. You are trying to take away a woman's bodily integrity. You don't care about fetuses, you don't care about saving lives, you just want to control women. You want to subvert them, and keep them unable to be equal to a man. You want them back in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant all the time, making you sammiches. You are a BAD PERSON AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.

No really, that's completely the attitude that some people have. I find it amusing. I mean it's not like there are no pro-lifers like that; we've all inwardly groaned when someone just randomly spouts off, "YOU KILL BABIES? YOU MURDERER! EVERY BABY IS PRECIOUS TO GOD!" in the middle of a debate or something, but I've never seen anyone who claimed to be open-minded talking like that.

What amazes me is that these same people outraged about how those damn anti-choicers treat women are the ones who completely marginalize any woman who's suffered from an abortion, any woman who just disagrees with their lifeview, any woman who chooses to give birth in a situation they would not (case in point, look at how these people reacted to Palin having a baby with down syndrome). They call women stupid for choosing birth in certain situations, and say some people just shouldn't be allowed to reproduce and mean it.

Me neither.

I hate that pro-choicers use the fact that those kinds of people exist as an excuse to disregard a lot of what we have to say. They will complain that some pro-lifers call them murderers, and when you counter with, "well, I don't say that and I never would", they still default to the fact that some people would. Even if they're not currently talking to one of them. I've often thought they use the worst of our ilk to justify summarily dismissing most, if not all, of what we have to say.

Of course, if you mention that there are, in fact, some "pro-choicers" who do hate babies and get physically uncomfortable at the notion of having children, you need to not judge the entire position on the opinions of a few. rolleyes

Most pro-choicers that I have argued with generalise me in a group of people who wave big signs with aborted baby pictures on them, oppress woman by forcing them to birth children, and kill doctors that perform abortions while having supporters shout at them outside an abortion clinic.

I am watching a video actually about Pro-life Reasoning, and how we are generally viewed that way. And this video brings up a very good point. Often pro-choicers do not look at the issue and facts, but rather the stories. Best example, when Bill Clinton signed the bill allowing Partial-Birth abortion, he didn't back it up with facts, rather he had three woman speak on how it helped their lives. Another interesting point it brought up with is the issue of abortion is often never argued, rather what's argued is the oppression of women.

Pro-choicers don't want to face the fact that their ideology kills precious innocents, so they point the finger at us and try to make us pro-lifers look like radical Communists.
Speaking of Communists, one time a pro-choicer called me a Communist for being pro-life! Interestingly enough, in Communist China, if a woman gets pregnant, she is forcibly sterlized so that she can't have any more children.
So much for "every woman has a choice". rolleyes