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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:01 pm
What are you guy's views on Peta?? I'm very confused because I have heard people on gaia say that they are bad, but I read a magazine of theirs, and I can't see how they could be bad. It is a very good, informative magazine called "Animal Times", and they have information on some things that are mistreating animals, like the Glue Traps at Lowes and the horse-drawn carriages in NYC, and they say how bad it is for the animals, and ask you to please send a letter or boycott the situation. They also say who out there is helping animals, like celebrities and such, and they say what organizations, people, etc., they have succeeded in convincing to stop abuse animals. I was very moved by their magazine and I am probably going to be writing some letters to some of those damn places that they mentioned, like Lowes. So how can Peta be bad in any way?? Is there something that they aren't mentioning? Because I really can't see what it would be. Can someone help me out here? Because I want to support them, but if they are bad like I have heard (that's literally all I heard....I heard someone say "don't donate to them, they're bad" in an animal-loving environment) then I want to make sure that's not true before I support them.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:23 pm
Peta ... well. I don't approve of how they try to get things done. There is always the idea that if you want to change the world you can't be PC or polite about it or you'll never get anything done...
But here are some things I don't like about Peta.
They'll use anything to further their message. Beheading on a bus by a mad man in canada? Used. Sexism? Lettuce clad ladies? Sure. There are more, but these are the two that are foremost in my mind.
I really hate their extremist approach to everything. I hate that they pretty much scare a LOT of people away from being Vegan, and *I* get a lot of freaking flack.
Mainstream media doesn't even NEED to talk about 'peeeetaaa atrooocities!' to make them a pain in the a**.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:10 pm
Agreed.
PETA has good intentions but extremist approaches and misleading information. I don't particularly favor them in any way. >_>
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:55 am
What's wrong with PeTA? Teehee... PeTA obviously doesn't care if you trash the rainforest if it means you can have something free of animal products. Orangutans pushed to extinction for palm oil? Who cares, as long as we get our "cruelty-free" products!And let's not forget their "pleather yourself" campaign - because it's so much more "ethical" (whatever the frell that means anymore) to drill highly toxic crude oil, send it to processing plants where workers are poisoned by it and where its toxins get into the environment, and make it into a product that will eventually break down into more toxins. They also have a "meat isn't green!" campaign. The research shows otherwise - it most certainly can be green: Livestock grazing good for the soilCan cattle save us from global warming?PeTA has, in the past, used dishonest tactics to get the videos they wanted. For example, one video shows monkeys bouncing frantically around a cage while Ingrid Newkirk puts on her best bleeding-heart voice and tells the audience that it's because the monkeys have gone crazy from being locked up. In reality, the monkeys are jumping around because the cameraman alarmed them.As far as science goes, you can count on PeTA to ignore anything (scientific or otherwise) that might make people second-guess their dogma. Other times it's come out that those who make the alleged "undercover videos" used by various animal rights groups are made by people who have gone into places and actually had someone commit acts of excessive cruelty to the animals just so they could get it on tape. Sometimes the videos don't even show what they claim they show: at one point PeTA made an "undercover video" of a "fur farm" - only their fur farm was actually a scent-producing facility. (More information on faked or dishonest videos here.) Score one for honesty, huh? Their "Is meat natural?" page is full of lies. Any good book on history or anthropology will show you just how full of crap it is. (Primitive African tribes ate raw meat well into the modern era and were quite healthy - yeah, raw meat is obviously so toxic and unnatural.) They also have a huge campaign whining about mulesing. They claim it's unnecessary and liken it to "cutting chunks of flesh off your backside with pruning shears." (A better analogy would be circumcision.) What they're not telling you is that the alternative is far worse. It's actually inhumane not to mules.PeTA has stated that they don't care if new members of a species are born, but rather that the suffering of those living is reduced or eliminated. (Consider their 97% kill rate at their 'animal shelter.) It's obvious that they don't particularly care about the environment. Having done the math, I have come to the realization that the logical conclusion to their philosophy is to set off a nuclear bomb powerful enough to "euthanize" all life on Earth and be done with it once and for all. Also, avoiding meat because simply you hate the idea of killing animals is self-defeating. For every plant you eat, at least a dozen arthropods (bugs) had to be killed in pest control - and that's just for organic produce. Apparently, it's okay to poison, gas, crush, or fatally trap Flik and all his friends if it means Bambi gets to keep frolicking in the forest. If that's not speciesism, I don't know what is. (Now who's Hitler, huh, Ingrid?)
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:09 am
Wow, that post is full of so much ownage. If you don't mind, I'm going to refer people to that post the next time someone gives me the "But PETA is GOOD!" argument. Being captain of the vegan and vegetarian guild, I get that a lot.
But speaking of campaigns PETA's used to give "shock value" for, one in particular sticks in my mind. A few Easters ago, PETA rented out a huge billboard on a very busy road in my city. It was a picture of a pig, with the big phrase next to it: "He died for your sins." I'm not religious at all, but I still found that to be VERY wrong. Needless to say, there were a lot of letters to the editor about it.
Didn't they also ask Ben and Jerry's to make a human breast milk ice cream? They've gone way too far down the rabbit hole.
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:19 pm
Ailinea A few Easters ago, PETA rented out a huge billboard on a very busy road in my city. It was a picture of a pig, with the big phrase next to it: "He died for your sins." I've never heard of that one before. D= But I can imagine how many people would be offended by that.
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:24 am
That's not just offensive, that's blasphemous. And since when is it a sin for Christians to eat pork, anyway? Who is PeTA to "update" their beliefs?
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:53 pm
peta disgusts me.
i'm a hardcore vegan, and i refuse to be associated with them.
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:09 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:02 am
Ailinea Wow, that post is full of so much ownage. If you don't mind, I'm going to refer people to that post the next time someone gives me the "But PETA is GOOD!" argument. Being captain of the vegan and vegetarian guild, I get that a lot. But speaking of campaigns PETA's used to give "shock value" for, one in particular sticks in my mind. A few Easters ago, PETA rented out a huge billboard on a very busy road in my city. It was a picture of a pig, with the big phrase next to it: "He died for your sins." I'm not religious at all, but I still found that to be VERY wrong. Needless to say, there were a lot of letters to the editor about it. Didn't they also ask Ben and Jerry's to make a human breast milk ice cream? They've gone way too far down the rabbit hole. Yes, they did ask them to use human breast milk.. But they had a slight point. If you ask the question "Why do we drink another animals milk instead of our OWN species milk?" It kind of make sense. You dont see goats drinking milk from a cow.. So it is a little reasonable. There is a problem with aquiring human milk thoough. I mean imagine a factory where they have women strapped to chairs and have milk being extracted from their breast...
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:17 pm
icecast Ailinea Wow, that post is full of so much ownage. If you don't mind, I'm going to refer people to that post the next time someone gives me the "But PETA is GOOD!" argument. Being captain of the vegan and vegetarian guild, I get that a lot. But speaking of campaigns PETA's used to give "shock value" for, one in particular sticks in my mind. A few Easters ago, PETA rented out a huge billboard on a very busy road in my city. It was a picture of a pig, with the big phrase next to it: "He died for your sins." I'm not religious at all, but I still found that to be VERY wrong. Needless to say, there were a lot of letters to the editor about it. Didn't they also ask Ben and Jerry's to make a human breast milk ice cream? They've gone way too far down the rabbit hole. Yes, they did ask them to use human breast milk.. But they had a slight point. If you ask the question "Why do we drink another animals milk instead of our OWN species milk?" It kind of make sense. You dont see goats drinking milk from a cow.. So it is a little reasonable. There is a problem with aquiring human milk thoough. I mean imagine a factory where they have women strapped to chairs and have milk being extracted from their breast... Two things, human milk is unrealistic from both a health stand point and a production stand point. dairy cow breeding processes are strictly controlled to prevent desieses, There are over 7 billion humans on the earth of which 5 billion probably drink cows milk, cows milk goes through all kinds to filtering and pasteurization processes, before it gose to market. or cheese making or what ever. for every family that uses milk, would require ruffly more then 30-50 human females to produce enough milk. Plus the costs. It would cost more then it does to produce cows milk. then theres health, Aids and HIV, colds, flu's, ect. can be passed on through human milk. This is peta's most dumbest ideas ever. EVER. that and fish kittens. whats next? Crab puppies? Lobster cubs?
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