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 Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:52 pm
I was talking with a guy in the firefall Christian guild, about evolution, and asked him what his refutations were. Then, he replied with pages and pages of information. So, it's gonna take a while to read and sort through. Anybody else that wants to read through it as well can. The quotation marks and apostrophes apparently got messed up. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that most of the information is from " Young age earth evidence" If you wanna just read that. The place where he posted the information is here.
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:14 am
This has been mostly replied to by Vryko Lakas at this thread.However, there's more stuff, I think, which the guy in the Christian guild posted which I have yet to sort through.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:04 am
Vryko is like an anti-creationist machine.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:24 am
Heh. True enough.
I actually haven't bothered to sort through the creationist arguments at AiG, but, since I began this little thread, I have basically realized that creationists hold immense misconceptions about the theory of evolution, often associating it with the origin of life and the origin of the universe, and ignoring the natural selection part.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:32 am
I'm no longer sure they are misconceptions, so much as wilful misrepresentations. The sheer number of times the same arguments come up, usually with slightly different wordings, it can't be simple ignorance.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:06 am
It just occurred to me that a part of the reason for creationists is arrogance. Creationism assumes that the world was made for humans, and that we we're made in the image of God. Evolution gives us no such special place in the order of things. We're just another animal, albeit one that has evolved some unique abilities. Quote: I agree, and I see no reason why humans, in particular, are fundamentally better than other life. But, creationists don't generally question the bible (they wouldn't otherwise be creationists, methinks) and the Bible states in several places that humans are much better than animals.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:29 am
I've been following the same thread, Shadroth. Seems difficult to sway them when they think the same way redem has explained.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:40 pm
Hilt uses alot of bible related thigs 2 prove somethings tah disprove creantionism... can he do that 0.o?
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:16 am
redem It just occurred to me that a part of the reason for creationists is arrogance. Creationism assumes that the world was made for humans, and that we we're made in the image of God. Evolution gives us no such cpecial place in the order of things. We're just another animal, albeit one that has evolved some unique abilities. I'm willing to bet it's not as much arrogance as it is the need to make themselves feel special. They don't want humans, their own "gratest!11!" species "ev4r!111", to be just another result in the very large evolution tree. No, that can't do, we have to all have been chosen and especially cared for by some kind of omnipotent deity who then stops giving a s**t (but that much cannot be accepted, either).
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:19 am
Kage_ookami_shonen Hilt uses alot of bible related thigs 2 prove somethings tah disprove creantionism... can he do that 0.o? Creationists sometimes care about the Bible like it's their own child or something, and sometimes don't give a s**t. That is why, when disproving creationism, we must not waste time caring about what the Bible has to say, because it's just another fantasy novel written a few thousand years ago.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:52 pm
there's a movie made in the 60s about a trial in the South. A teacher was arrested for teaching his students Darwin's theories. The defense lawyer used the Bible against the prosecution and the teacher was free. Good movie. I recommend it
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:06 pm
Quote: I actually haven't bothered to sort through the creationist arguments at AiG I think that I gave you some ideas for books that you may be interested in. If these people really are searching for answers...then they might want to get the perspective and evidence from Christian Scientists' perspectives and evidence. TELL THE PEOPLE SHADROTH! TELL THEM! kidding.....but you may want to tell others if you like...I would recommend them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:17 am
What you've got to understand, Doktor.Mark, is that whatever it is that creationists think they're disproving is actually something else with the same name.
Creationists are often taught things which 'prove' that an Old Earth cannot have existed. However, the science behind these refutations is seldom explained. Creationists, in a very real sense, do not know what they are talking about.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:21 pm
gigacannon What you've got to understand, Doktor.Mark, is that whatever it is that creationists think they're disproving is actually something else with the same name. Creationists are often taught things which 'prove' that an Old Earth cannot have existed. However, the science behind these refutations is seldom explained. Creationists, in a very real sense, do not know what they are talking about. Hehe, how right you are... I'm a biologist myself, i can't stop laughing at them in fact biggrin There was this court case once in 1981, where evolution-science was proved to not favour any religion while creation-science was proved to be not a scientific endeavor, but a religious opinion.... and therefore invalid xd
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:00 am
Eviscerator gigacannon What you've got to understand, Doktor.Mark, is that whatever it is that creationists think they're disproving is actually something else with the same name. Creationists are often taught things which 'prove' that an Old Earth cannot have existed. However, the science behind these refutations is seldom explained. Creationists, in a very real sense, do not know what they are talking about. Hehe, how right you are... I'm a biologist myself, i can't stop laughing at them in fact biggrin There was this court case once in 1981, where evolution-science was proved to not favour any religion while creation-science was proved to be not a scientific endeavor, but a religious opinion.... and therefore invalid xd I concur with gigacanon myself. Anyway, if the "creation-scientists" actually had a theory, backed up by clear evidence, that explains everything which suggests that the Earth/universe is "old", and at the same time clearly suggesting that the events depicted in Genesis occured... They might actually have a valid non-religious argument for creationism. But, to say the least, it's not likely.
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