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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:10 am
(NOT MY WRITING, THIS IS A QUOTE FROM A SITE I LIKE) Quote: Does anyone else support keeping marijuana illegal? There has been a lot of talk from my co-workers lately about Barak Obama and his stance on legalizing weed. They're all prepared to go and actually vote this election because of it. They want to be able to go to a store, buy some pot, and walk around smoking joints like they were cigarettes. I doubt things would ever get that liberal but it seems to me that legalization of marijuana would be a very bad thing for those of us who enjoy it on even a semi-regular basis. The first thing that would happen, if pot was legalized, is a spike in prices. There would be so many sin taxes on it that the high price of name brand cigarettes would seem like a steal. The goverment would have to get money out of it somehow. Noone does anything for free. The next step would be regulation. Special interest groups, such as Mother Against Drunk Driving, would be up in arms and insure that the government regulated the amount of actual marijuana one could get, or more likely, the amount of THC in the marijuana. That means you could go in, spend $60 on a laughable amount of weed and after you get done smoking it all up a little while later, you're left with only a slight buzz because it has almost non-existant levels of THC. This would also lead to greater degrees of punishment for those caught selling non-regulated or non-approved marijuana. The stuff you get from your dealer now would be black market goods, not only illegal as before but worse since the government would then be losing money on anything not sold through their system. Don't think so? Try to grow cigarette tobacco sometime. You'll get in more trouble being caught for that than for growing your own pot. I say keep marijuana illegal. What needs to change is the penalties. Marijuana needs to be taken off of the list of schedule 1 narcotics. Granted, so does MDMA as it has been approved by the FDA and is still used for the treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but that's a rant for another time. Marijuana needs to be lowered to schedule 3 or below on the list of narcotics. Keep it illegal but get rid of the ridiculous penalties for possession or selling. Those are my thought on the subject anyway...
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:55 am
*reads*
*headdesk*
It occurs to me to ask the person where they get their information on the future, and if they'd mind checking a couple horse race results for me. xd
Seriously, though, if it's someone you even want to bother responding to, you might try asking what they're basing their assumptions on. After all, I really can't see where they're basing anything on precedent.
And the line about "getting in trouble" for growing tobacco seems pretty bizarre to me... I'll admit that I haven't exactly looked it up or made official inquiries, but I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that they've tried growing tobacco -- much less gotten in trouble for it. I've gotten the distinct impression (from documentaries that go into it, I admit) that it's not the easiest plant to care for.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:41 pm
If pot were legalized, everyone would just grow it themselves, and forget about buying it at the store and forget about their dealers. smile
I mean... I don't see how it would be illegal to grow if it were legal to buy at a store. SOMEONE has to grow it for the store. Ya' know? Hmm. That would be like saying... ARgh, it's illegal to grow tomatoes! You have to buy tomatoes at the store! Same with every other product.
But then again, isn't it illegal to make your own alcomerhol?
I just don't know enough to have a valid opinion.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:29 pm
Shii Rirakkusu isn't it illegal to make your own alcomerhol? Naw. It's just illegal to sell it without a license.
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Emil Dechebal Matasareanu
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:41 pm
Even if the price of weed was like 4 times that of Tobacco it would still be a huge saving compared to what it is on the street...
And is Obama for legalizing weed???
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:42 pm
Emil Dechebal Matasareanu Even if the price of weed was like 4 times that of Tobacco it would still be a huge saving compared to what it is on the street... And is Obama for legalizing weed??? A few clicks from NORML gave me this-- Quote: "I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users. It’s not a good use of our resources." — U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), August 21, Nashua, N.H.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:51 pm
I think it should be legalized with restrictions such as...
-person(s) under 18 are not legally permitted to smoke marijuana (unless with parental/gaurdian concent and resides in your own residence)
-The government enforces a tax on the growth, and growing can only be self sufficient. (flat rate tax)
-Drivers can not be under the influence of THC while driving a motor vehicle. (same rules apply as drunk driving, BAC tests)
-you must have a liscence to publicly traffic marijuana (so sales taxes, retail taxes, etc.) can be applied.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:35 am
AceArchangel I think it should be legalized with restrictions such as... -person(s) under 18 are not legally permitted to smoke marijuana (unless with parental/gaurdian concent and resides in your own residence) -The government enforces a tax on the growth, and growing can only be self sufficient. (flat rate tax) -Drivers can not be under the influence of THC while driving a motor vehicle. (same rules apply as drunk driving, BAC tests) -you must have a liscence to publicly traffic marijuana (so sales taxes, retail taxes, etc.) can be applied. Which is why I always tout California law -- other than the second point, those all apply. And personally, I disagree on the second point. I don't think Mary's garden, however contrary, should be taxed. By comparison, I could have willow trees in my backyard, which means I'll never need to buy aspirin, which (to my mind) would fall into the same category. It doesn't make sense to tax it... and enforcing such a tax would be literally impossible.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:23 pm
I don't think any taxes should be put on it. It would be really hard to find everyone who has a plant growing, or people who are trafficking it. Plus it's just stupid to milk out pennies from citizens for stupid reasons like growing a plant, and sharing it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:33 pm
Shii Rirakkusu I don't think any taxes should be put on it. It would be really hard to find everyone who has a plant growing, or people who are trafficking it. Plus it's just stupid to milk out pennies from citizens for stupid reasons like growing a plant, and sharing it. Well, taxes are just plain stupid anyway, if you think about it. I'd like to see the entire system overhauled -- right now, federal and state governments tax your income, and it's reconciled yearly (April 15th) and you either pay more or get a refund. The state reconciliation usually isn't off by much for most people, but the feds can never seem to get it right. I've gotten almost a thousand dollars back from a single federal tax refund, for example. Meanwhile, sales taxes are county funds, going toward things like street repairs and such. I'd rather see individuals' taxes be apportioned more toward local governments, which themselves would relinquish a percentage of its total take toward the state -- that'd put the sources and amounts of the income of the "overgovernment" into the realm of public records, and would hopefully make accountability more common. It'd also encourage people to be more involved in their communities and supportive of local businesses. And to that end, I wouldn't do away with sales taxes, I'd just have guidelines basically saying that something like half the monies brought in via sales taxes should be applied toward projects related to the products sold. The taxes you pay on gasoline, for example, or on new windshield wipers, should go toward fixing potholes and repairing roads, things like that. Children's toys should fund education. Agricultural products -- everything from corn to pot -- I would say should be directed toward parks & rec and environmental concerns. That's for retail sales, of course. Taxing people for growing it on a small scale is dumb, of course... it's unenforceable, for one thing. Yeah, if you've got, say, more than ten plants then you're growing on a supplier kind of scale, so maybe some kind of license, like a business license, would be in order, similar to the license you need in most areas to own more than a certain number of dogs (which implies that you're a breeder, trainer, or otherwise in possession of that many dogs for business purposes). If only common sense were applicable to governments. o_O;
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:40 am
perfectly legal to grow tobacco, just illegal to sell it, even to yer mom...
anyone who wants to keep it illegal is a greedy dealer. how is legalizing pot going to drive up prices, if it's legal i can grow it myself therefore i don't need your crappy schwag, tyvm. you'd be more likely to want mine, and i don't share with greedy dealers xp
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:43 am
Emil Dechebal Matasareanu Even if the price of weed was like 4 times that of Tobacco it would still be a huge saving compared to what it is on the street... And is Obama for legalizing weed??? lol, i read this all confused, i forgot you're american... cigs are 11.75/pack here ON AVG. weed is 10 a g. with your math i'd be paying 40 a g lmao, but your math is based on cigs being 2.50/pack on avg. that's enough of my ramblings for now blaugh
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:56 am
This writer doesn't seem to like the plural 's', lol.
If it were legal I'd be a member of the 'black market'. How daaangerrus S:
Drug enforcement in general is just a waste of government dollars. In a conservative view point, legalizing marijuana wouldn't necessarily mean taxation but deregulation of the product.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:58 am
Emil Dechebal Matasareanu Even if the price of weed was like 4 times that of Tobacco it would still be a huge saving compared to what it is on the street... And is Obama for legalizing weed??? Obama used to be a coke head. Of course he's for legalizing marijuana. Or probably just deregulating the majorty of drug enforcement. Do your research!
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:07 pm
Fried Tree Emil Dechebal Matasareanu Even if the price of weed was like 4 times that of Tobacco it would still be a huge saving compared to what it is on the street... And is Obama for legalizing weed??? Obama used to be a coke head. Of course he's for legalizing marijuana. Or probably just deregulating the majorty of drug enforcement. Do your research! D'oh! Gonna have to thump you for that one -- follow your own advice. Democratic Candidate Report Card gives Obama a C, and StoptheDrugWar.com says: Quote: Obama's issue page contains nothing about drug policy. He has admitted to using marijuana and cocaine as a youth, but does not support decriminalization of marijuana. In recent months, Obama has criticized racial disparities in the criminal justice system, saying he would review mandatory minimum sentencing, the crack-powder cocaine sentencing disparity, and seek rehabilitation instead of imprisonment for first-time drug offenders. Last summer, he said he supports lifting the federal ban on funding for needle exchanges. Of Biden, the same page says: Quote: Biden is the candidate with the most burnished drug policy credentials; unfortunately, most of them bad. Working within the Senate Judiciary Committee, Biden was responsible for creating the Office of National Drug Control Policy and passage of the RAVE Act, as well as supporting numerous bills to raise penalties for drug offenses. The best that can be said, in fact, is that it's a better ticket than McCain. Personally, I dream of an election in which I'll be able to be able to vote for someone, rather than just picking one candidate in order to avoid having the other in the oval office.
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